4.4l Diesel cgi block to Tupy

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by Libra

Are you serious??????????? 2-3 more than the gasser???????? Thats it????????????????????????????????????????????? Ugh my misery continues......................................... ..................... I want GREAT fuel economy..............hello, hello, anybody listening?

so buy the v6 or better yet, a geo tracker or something. all i see on this forum is people bitching about mpg and power. it takes gas and air to make power. you can't do it just with air. if they make an f150 that gets 30mpg, it won't be able to pull itself out of a paper bag. if they make one that hits 13s 1/4 mi times you'd all bitch about the 5mpg.

you people want 38mpg, able to tow 20k lbs, be able to run low 13s in the 1/4 mi, have 4x4, seating for 19 people, and cost less than a fully optioned civic.

[zman764]

Wow that sounds perfect!!!!! is that what ford doin for 2009????

[transam396]

Originally Posted by Fosters

so buy the v6 or better yet, a geo tracker or something. all i see on this forum is people bitching about mpg and power. it takes gas and air to make power. you can't do it just with air. if they make an f150 that gets 30mpg, it won't be able to pull itself out of a paper bag. if they make one that hits 13s 1/4 mi times you'd all bitch about the 5mpg.

you people want 38mpg, able to tow 20k lbs, be able to run low 13s in the 1/4 mi, have 4x4, seating for 19 people, and cost less than a fully optioned civic.

No but if vw can make 50 mpg out of a diesel,
then i don't see why ford can't get 20-25 mpg out of one

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by transam396

No but if vw can make 50 mpg out of a diesel,
then i don't see why ford can't get 20-25 mpg out of one

you just compared a jetta to an f150?

when a jetta can tow 5 tons and carry one and a half in payload, plow snow, and still get that mileage, your argument will have a leg to stand on

in fact, VW's diesel motor out of the touareg, which is probably the closest thing to what will be in the F150 only gets 17/22mpg... and that's a 4.9L v10 that's gonna make similar power to the f150 motor. I don't see why people scoff at 2-3 mpg better, or expect 30mpg out of a 6000lb truck, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon, not while winning the towing/payload/hp/tq wars that people expect them to.

[gui88ford]

Originally Posted by Fosters

you just compared a jetta to an f150?

when a jetta can tow 5 tons and carry one and a half in payload, plow snow, and still get that mileage, your argument will have a leg to stand on

in fact, VW's diesel motor out of the touareg, which is probably the closest thing to what will be in the F150 only gets 17/22mpg... and that's a 4.9L v10 that's gonna make similar power to the f150 motor. I don't see why people scoff at 2-3 mpg better, or expect 30mpg out of a 6000lb truck, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon, not while winning the towing/payload/hp/tq wars that people expect them to.

i don't know....i would say that ford should be able to make a powerful diesel that gets 20-25 mpg....

for instance....and i know i'm going to prolly take some heat for this but i don't care....i calculated the numbers myself so i know they are right....

my buddy has a 2005 Dodge with the cummins and i calculated his fuel mpg to be 20.5 on one tank and 21.3 on another tank.....it's a 2500 lifted, big tires and the speedo was recalibrated and it correct so thats not the reason for the mpg....

i went with him once with a load of wood up north to my place last year and we had about 5,000 lbs on the trailer and we got 17.9 mpg...


now those numbers are what i expect from ford and a diesel in our F-150...

-20 to 22 mpg regular drivign
-16 to 18 when loaded down

[Libra]

I stand by my original complaint simply because my husbands f250 6500 plus pound diesel gets 22 mpgs. So I would expect a truck that weighs less to get better fuel economy if not why even bother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gui88ford]

Originally Posted by Libra

I stand by my original complaint simply because my husbands f250 6500 plus pound diesel gets 22 mpgs. So I would expect a truck that weighs less to get better fuel economy if not why even bother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I MUST AGREE...give us out 25mpg diesel that makes good power and everyone will be happy.....the guys that want more power can get an Edge Attitude with Juice and have a blast....

25mpg would sell BIG TIME as long as it's not a 5,000 dollar option..

[snowdog79]

Don't worry, it won't be a $5000 option... more like $6000+ not including the charge for the new auto tranny Ford will have to put behind it. Since the TorqueShift in the SD's is about $1500, figure $7500 +/- at least for a diesel in the F150. All the emission controls aren't going to be any cheaper for the F150 motor than for the SD. Even the old 7.3 PSD was a $4800 option.

[gui88ford]

Originally Posted by snowdog79

Don't worry, it won't be a $5000 option... more like $6000+ not including the charge for the new auto tranny Ford will have to put behind it. Since the TorqueShift in the SD's is about $1500, figure $7500 +/- at least for a diesel in the F150. All the emission controls aren't going to be any cheaper for the F150 motor than for the SD. Even the old 7.3 PSD was a $4800 option.

then i'll keep my 5.4 and i'll just run E85 all the time....

in my area right now E85 is selling for 1.98 per gallon and reg 87 gas is 2.81....


it's 20.00 difference per tank....comes out to a little over 7 gallons of extra E85 i'd have to use for it not to be cheaper to run...


cheaper for E85 for sure....I'll run my corn fuel and tell the A-Rabs to blow me!!!

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by gui88ford

i don't know....i would say that ford should be able to make a powerful diesel that gets 20-25 mpg....

for instance....and i know i'm going to prolly take some heat for this but i don't care....i calculated the numbers myself so i know they are right....

my buddy has a 2005 Dodge with the cummins and i calculated his fuel mpg to be 20.5 on one tank and 21.3 on another tank.....it's a 2500 lifted, big tires and the speedo was recalibrated and it correct so thats not the reason for the mpg....

i went with him once with a load of wood up north to my place last year and we had about 5,000 lbs on the trailer and we got 17.9 mpg...


now those numbers are what i expect from ford and a diesel in our F-150...

-20 to 22 mpg regular drivign
-16 to 18 when loaded down

your examples with the cummins are both highway mileage. in that aspect, yeah, sure it's possible to have a diesel f150 pull 22mpg. 25 will be pushing it though. our trucks don't weigh that much less unfortunately... I know my screw is around 6k lbs with me in it. 25mpg in a diesel reg cab 2wd doing 65 on the freeway at low altitude with no hills, a definite maybe... in a 4x4 screw at 7000-8000ft altitude in new mexico in the middle of summer, prolly not gonna happen '

25mpg in the city ain't gonna happen anytime soon, and that's where most of us do our driving unfortunately.

[gui88ford]

Originally Posted by Fosters

your examples with the cummins are both highway mileage. in that aspect, yeah, sure it's possible to have a diesel f150 pull 22mpg. 25 will be pushing it though. our trucks don't weigh that much less unfortunately... I know my screw is around 6k lbs with me in it. 25mpg in a diesel reg cab 2wd doing 65 on the freeway at low altitude with no hills, a definite maybe... in a 4x4 screw at 7000-8000ft altitude in new mexico in the middle of summer, prolly not gonna happen '

25mpg in the city ain't gonna happen anytime soon, and that's where most of us do our driving unfortunately.

unloaded around town he gets 18-19 mpg....i've seen it so don't tell me i'm wrong....i'm not....

i agree 25 mpg in city driving isn't going to happen....then again i don't live in the city and i also don't live at 8,000 feet either....8,000 feet is over twice at hight as the hightest peak in pennsylvania so i don't ever see me hitting 8,000 feet above sea level.....

most of my area is between 800 and 1200 feet...

his truck is a 4x4 also.....

the 16-18 loaded with the trailer was from Reading to bloomsburg over all the hills and everything....hardly highway driving....and hardly flat roads cruising at 65mph all the time...

Point is that they can make the 25mpg diesel....they just have to do it...plain and simple

[Fosters]

don't be surprised if the diesel will be rated around 17/22... everyone's mileage will vary a lot based on where they are, and how it's driven, just like now, some people getting 16mpg around town with a 5.4, i can see a few diesel owners getting above the rating, and just like now people getting under the epa rating there will be some complaining about the mileage. I highly doubt the epa rating will be 20/25 or anything higher though. maybe if they put in the 3.6 liter from the land rover or the smaller jag diesel as it sits though; as an economy option.

[greengeeker]

For the people comparing yesterday's trucks to today's: keep in mind that the EPA has changed the way they determine fuel economy numbers (http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings2008.shtml). From now on it won't be a miracle to actually get the EPA numbers (of course this isn't a problem in my TDI- I'd be ashamed if I ever got the EPA estimates ).

I would agree with the 17/22 numbers. When Cummins tested their new 5.6L v8 diesel in a ram they got 24.6 mpg on the highway with a 21.7mpg combined. Remember this is a 325hp 500 ft-lb engine we're talking about. I don't see why Ford couldn't produce something similar. Isn't there a saying about having your cake and eating it too? I VERY highly doubt we would get a choice of oilburners.

[wendell borror]

I've seen two different articles on the new 4.4 diesel, one refered to it as a v6 and the other a v8, which is it, an 8 or a 6?

[gui88ford]

Originally Posted by wendell borror

I've seen two different articles on the new 4.4 diesel, one refered to it as a v6 and the other a v8, which is it, an 8 or a 6?

V8 based on the 3.6 L but bigger