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Old 03-11-2008, 11:15 AM
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Thanks split rock will check that u joint. I haven't gotten around to that trans job yet. I don't think it needs a full rebuild just someone that knows what they are doing. Will get back soon....
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I pulled the codes from my '95 XLT, and it's saying that I have a wrong gear ratio in 4th gear. Could this still be related to the gasket fix that's been discussed, or is this something different?
Something to check on (the tranny tag will have the date of build on it):
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Article No. 97-22-4

LIGHT TRUCK: 1995-96 EXPLORER, RANGER

This TSB article is being republished in its entirety to revise affected vehicles and provide additional information.

ISSUE:
On transmissions built before 6/20/95 an extended shift and a higher engine rpm than expected and/or no shift condition, possibly along with a flashing "O/D OFF" lamp and/or the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) may occur: 645, 646, 647, 648, P0731, P0732, P0733, P0734

This may be caused by a damaged intermediate and/or overdrive servo piston seal.

ACTION:
Follow the diagnostic procedures listed in the appropriate Ranger/Explorer Service Manual and the following text for details.

If the transmission tester indicates that the Electronic Pressure Control (EPC) solenoid and the shift solenoids are functioning properly, verify the intermediate and overdrive bands for proper adjustment.

If either band is out of adjustment, remove the transmission, disassemble and inspect the bands, drums and servo seals for damage. If replacing the servo piston/rod assembly make sure to use the latest service part. Use only service part number -7D021-, manufactured after the 26th week of 1995 and labeled "BRUSS." (Refer to the following Chart and Figure 2 for location of the word "BRUSS" and manufacturing date on the servo piston/rod assembly).

Service as required. After servicing the transmission, be sure to clear all DTCs from memory.

If the condition returns, perform diagnosis on the Generic Electronic Module (GEM) and Powertrain Control Module (PCM). Refer to the appropriate year Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) Manual and Service Manual for diagnosis procedures. Service as required.
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Old 03-21-2008, 06:52 AM
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I have a 92 X, the valve gasket would not be the problem for a shift problem from 1-2 would it? After it shifts the first time to second it seems to shift fine after that. But the first time when the truck is cold it takes its time to shift to second. I think my trans is an A4LD. Would this be the same problem as the valve gasket or a GOV problem?
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:19 AM
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Thanks Rockledge, it's been a while since I've been able to check in, but I'll look into this and see what I find. Thanks for the help!
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:36 PM
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Red face 96 4.0L AUTO 2x4 EC Just won't Die

OK, Read this post. I need more info. This truck has 270K miles. EVERYTHING still works. All original even starter and ALT. I hate to let it go but it's not worth a new or rebuilt tranny. At about 80K it started with the 2nd-3rd flare. I was told at the time rebuild it for $3000 or drive it to death. I choose to drive it. About a week ago I was driving along at 70+MPH and all of a sudden it shifted out of OD. It will not go into OD at all with or without the O/D switch on. It occasionally blinks the light but it resets after turning off. It has absolutely no engine braking i any gear at any speed. If you let off the gas at 80 MPH the tach goes to 800 RPM. The fluid has never been changed. It is dark red (not burnt) normal smell. there are no leaks of any kind. I added Lucas treatment to it about 2 months before this happened. It still works fine otherwise (acts like OD is turned off but with the flair). I am willing to replace/repair the valve body if it will resolve the issue. Also it went from about 21 MPG HW to about 16MPG. I drive it from 100 to 200 miles a day most days. Any help?
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Old 03-22-2008, 12:28 AM
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Nephew has a 99 Explorer 4.0 4x4 150,000 on it yesterday he brought it by and said it would rev high going from 2nd to 3rd. it doesn't do it all the time. It has 1st gear braking, I read this post from top to bottom (Whew) So I told him about the separator plate fix and since he assembles automatic trannies for John Deere he didn't think it would be a big deal called dealership to see about getting the parts and they couldn't find the TSB for 1999 or find any tranny Tsb's for the VIN number, the guy did say that they had the TSB for trannies through 98 but that there was nothing for 99 and up, So my question is did Ford have it fixed by 1999 or is this still an issue if it still can be the problem then can somebody come up with a part number or TSB for model year 1999. And does the the symptoms described indicate this could be the problem. If i can't get the new separator plate then will probably go with a complete valve body. Just trying to save the young man some money but I would like to have a little better feeling that doing this fix will really fix the problem. What do all think. By the way the only part number he gave me was for, I think, just the gasket 2L5z-7d100ba it was only about $7.00
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:51 PM
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Well whish us luck we are going to swap out the valve body on the Explorer tonite with one We bought from Central Valve bodies. It is supposed to have all the upgrades and new solenoids.
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Old 03-29-2008, 10:55 PM
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Well we changed the Valve Body and that was definitely the problem classic blown gasket both at the solenoid area and the low/reverse servo. It doesn't look like I can post the pictures I took but the job wasn't to bad and seems to have fixed the tranny. it hasn't shifted this good since he bought the Explorer.
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:23 AM
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I just wanted to say thanks to Matt for this thread and his excellent instructional on performing the separator plate gasket fix. I have a 2002 Mazda B3000 and had the 1-2 shift at 3000 rpm, and when it got to normal operating temperature, sure enough the O/D OFF light would blink. I did the test for the engine braking in LOW 1 and at first thought it was fine, but as I let it warm up, I could coast down a hill and even gain speed as the RPMs dropped to idle. So...

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WHEN YOU DO THE ENGINE BRAKING TEST, MAKE SURE THE TRANNY IS NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE!!! YOU WILL GET ENGINE BRAKING EVEN WITH A BLOWN SEPARATOR PLATE GASKET IF THE FLUID IS STILL COOL!!!
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Anyhow, thanks to everyone who wrote in, and especially Matt. You saved me serious money, and I owe you one.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:17 PM
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swogee -

Here's the test from the TSB:

Electrical - Water Intrusion Into Connectors
Article No.
01-5-2

March 19, 2001

^ DRIVEABILITY - ROUGH IDLE - DIAGNOSTIC
^ TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) P0500, P0501, P0503,
^ P1721, P0176, OR P1000 STORED IN MEMORY -
^ WATER INTRUSION AT CONNECTOR C309 OR
^ C340 UNDER DRIVER'S SEAT - VEHICLES
^ PRODUCED BEFORE 1/2/2001

^ ELECTRICAL - ANTI-LOCK BRAKE (ABS) LAMP
^ ILLUMINATED - DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODE
^ (DTC) C1230 OR CODES 9 OR 16 STORED IN
^ MEMORY - WATER INTRUSION AT CONNECTOR
^ C309 OR C340 UNDER DRIVER'S SEAT - VEHICLES
^ PRODUCED BEFORE 1/2/2001

^ ELECTRICAL - SPEEDOMETER - INOPERATIVE OR
^ ERRATIC OPERATION - WATER INTRUSION AT
^ CONNECTOR C309 OR C340 UNDER DRIVER'S SEAT - VEHICLES
^ PRODUCED BEFORE 1/2/2001

^ TRANSMISSION - 4R44E - ROUGH/HARSH OR
^ DELAYED UPSHIFT - WATER INTRUSION AT
^ CONNECTOR C309 OR C340 UNDER DRIVER'S
^ SEAT - VEHICLES PRODUCED BEFORE 1/2/2001

FORD:
2000-2001 RANGER

ISSUE

Some vehicles may exhibit a rough idle, Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) warning lamp illumination, inoperative or erratic speedometer, Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) P0500, P0501, P0503, P1721, P0176, P1000, ABS DTC 9, RABS DTC 16, or a delayed or harsh shifting automatic transmission. This may be caused by water intrusion at connector C309 (2000 model year) or C340 (2001 model year) under the driver's seat.

so what do i look for to correct if mines a 1997 model with the same symptoms? i have three out the four, no speedo problems.....yet

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Old 04-04-2008, 01:27 PM
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I just wanted to say thanks to Matt for this thread and his excellent instructional on performing the separator plate gasket fix. I have a 2002 Mazda B3000 and had the 1-2 shift at 3000 rpm, and when it got to normal operating temperature, sure enough the O/D OFF light would blink. I did the test for the engine braking in LOW 1 and at first thought it was fine, but as I let it warm up, I could coast down a hill and even gain speed as the RPMs dropped to idle. So...

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WHEN YOU DO THE ENGINE BRAKING TEST, MAKE SURE THE TRANNY IS NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE!!! YOU WILL GET ENGINE BRAKING EVEN WITH A BLOWN SEPARATOR PLATE GASKET IF THE FLUID IS STILL COOL!!!
************************************************** *******************

Anyhow, thanks to everyone who wrote in, and especially Matt. You saved me serious money, and I owe you one.
thanks for your kind words. Like i stated when i wrote this article, it doesnt work for everyone. Ive had 3-4 people email me who have done this update and it still didnt work. glad it works for some tho.

I have sense sold my ranger because the tranny started going out again. I put roughly 25k miles on since the valve body update and I always drove it like i stole it. It was time for her to rest.

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Old 04-04-2008, 06:00 PM
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my truck has, I believe, the 4R44E auto trans.(98xlt 3.0 4x4) Mine will shift hard from 1-2 but only when it hasn't reached operating temp, mainly first thing in the morning. It also seems to be hesitent to shift into 5 when i just enter the highway. it'll shift, and the RPM's will drop to 2000-2200 @ 55-60.
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better read the whole topic, chances are u need to sep gasket
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:23 AM
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96 4.0 2x4 tranny trouble part 2

Well. I bought a rebuilt VB, tore it down and replaced. I found a torn gasket at the solenoids. When I put it all back together it still had the same issues. It seems to shift harder. Still no OD and the flare is still there. I tried adjusting the bands and now it will not shift without letting off the throttle. It will rev to 4K rpm, let off throttle it will shift. Apparently I've done something wrong.
HELP PLEASE
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:53 AM
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Hi all i have a 95 4.0 auto 4x4. Going to adjust the bands in an attempt to get rid of the 2-3 flare. What band is the front and what is the rear one, as they have two different settings. Thanks, Bill
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