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Old 08-21-2022, 11:12 AM
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99 7.3 No Crank, No Start...HELP?

Pulled in to fuel up yesterday shut the truck down and when I got back in, and turned the key the dash all lit up, but there was no crank when I tried to start it. Here's what I've tried so far:

• Start in Park wiggling the shifter
• Start in N
• Checked the 50a fuse (starter under the hood)
• Replaced the starter relay solenoid (NAPA Brand)
• Replaced the ignition switch
• Checked the grounding between the solenoid and the fender
• Checked voltage to solenoid (relay terminal) in the key ON position and get about 5.5 volts
• Checked voltage to solenoid (relay terminal) in the key CRANK position and get about 11.5 volts
• Checked for continuity between solenoid studs and starter solenoid studs and have continuity



I was able to finally get it started after I crossed the solenoid with a screwdriver, so at least the truck is in the garage and not in a frying pan of a parking lot.

I don't have a scanner
Going out to check the wiring from the starter to the solenoid now.

Any other suggestions?
 

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Old 08-21-2022, 11:18 AM
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That happened to me. Do you get a "wait to start" light? I didn't and it was the stinking BD Diesel chip that was there when I bought it. Threw the chip away and it works great and no more random codes either.
 
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Old 08-21-2022, 11:31 AM
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Yep. got the wait to start light. I threw away my chip long ago
 
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I had the tranny (4r100) replaced about 6 months ago. Any chance this could be the Neutral Safety Switch? Suggestions on how to test it?
 
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UPDATE:
from my first post:
• Checked voltage to solenoid (relay terminal) in the key ON position and get about 5.5 volts

From what I am reading on the web is that I should not be getting a constant voltage reading here. It is constant even if the key is in the off position. I ended up pulling the 5A fuse in the #15 position and the voltage reading from the solenoid dropped to 0. This fuse controls the GEM, PCM, the ABS module, the brake shift interlock and speed control.

 
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I replaced the Neutral Safety Switch for the hell of it. Still nothing
 
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Replace the solenoid on the fender. That is most likely the culprit. Also check the plug/connection that pushes on for the wire that voltage goes to and “activates” the solenoid with key turn. It is possible that napa gave you a junk unit, I would go with oem
 
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Replace the solenoid on the fender. That is most likely the culprit. Also check the plug/connection that pushes on for the wire that voltage goes to and “activates” the solenoid with key turn
Thank you. I replaced the solenoid this morning (no luck), and I am getting around 11.5 volts to that wire when I turn the key to crank position. But I am also getting around 5 volts to it when the truck is completely shut down...
 
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Old 08-21-2022, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ESwift
It is possible that napa gave you a junk unit, I would go with oem
That thought did cross my mind...
 
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So you can cross the 2 large terminals on the solenoid and it will crank/start. (Rules out starter)
You also have 11.5v to the small keyed start wire at the solenoid but no crank. (Rules out ignition switch, NSS)

This sounds like a bad solenoid to me.

Try crossing the large always hot post to the small keyed post. If it doesn’t crank then the solenoid is the likely culprit.

I can’t speak to the 5v you are seeing at rest.
 
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Pull the range selector connector on the drives side of the transmission and check for corrosion and/or mud packed in the plug.
 
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Originally Posted by ESwift
It is possible that napa gave you a junk unit, I would go with oem
Ok I ended up replacing the solenoid with an oem and it started right up. So i took the NAPA solenoide back to the store and threw it through their plate glass window. Actually, I sheepishly returned it hoping they wouldn't give me grief since I didn't have the box. But vandalism did cross my mind.
 
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Originally Posted by clineco
Ok I ended up replacing the solenoid with an oem and it started right up. So i took the NAPA solenoide back to the store and threw it through their plate glass window. Actually, I sheepishly returned it hoping they wouldn't give me grief since I didn't have the box. But vandalism did cross my mind.
good to hear you are back up and “starting” again
 
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Crap the solenoid was bad out of the box? Yeah I'd be greatly annoyed too.

Glad you got it figured out and are back on the road!
 
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Wow this is the exact same situation I'm in, all the way down to the new NAPA solenoid. Looks like I'll be getting an OEM one tomorrow.
 
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