Are manual and ESOF Transfer cases the same?
#1
Are manual and ESOF Transfer cases the same?
That is, Are they the same unit, just one has an electric motor to engage the linkage, and one has a lever?
Or are they two totally different units?
What I'm getting at is this: My truck has the ESOF. If that was to ever go out, could I remove the pamel in the trans tunnel and install the lever and associated parts on the ESOF case and have a manual case?
Thanks,
Or are they two totally different units?
What I'm getting at is this: My truck has the ESOF. If that was to ever go out, could I remove the pamel in the trans tunnel and install the lever and associated parts on the ESOF case and have a manual case?
Thanks,
#2
I don't think so.
My reasoning is that, at least on my 2007 F-250, you cannot shift into 4H while moving. The manual says to stop or rolling no faster than 3 MPH to shift to 4H with MSOS.
Shifting from 2H (2WD High) to 4H (4WD High)
Engage the locking hubs by rotating
the hub lock control from FREE to
LOCK, then move the transfer case
lever from 2H (2WD High) to 4H
(4WD High) at a vehicle speed
below 3 mph (5 km/h).
With ESOF:
Shifting from 2WD (2WD High) to 4x4 HIGH (4WD High)
Rotate the 4WD control to the 4x4
HIGH position at speeds up to
55 mph (88 km/h).
My reasoning is that, at least on my 2007 F-250, you cannot shift into 4H while moving. The manual says to stop or rolling no faster than 3 MPH to shift to 4H with MSOS.
Shifting from 2H (2WD High) to 4H (4WD High)
Engage the locking hubs by rotating
the hub lock control from FREE to
LOCK, then move the transfer case
lever from 2H (2WD High) to 4H
(4WD High) at a vehicle speed
below 3 mph (5 km/h).
With ESOF:
Shifting from 2WD (2WD High) to 4x4 HIGH (4WD High)
Rotate the 4WD control to the 4x4
HIGH position at speeds up to
55 mph (88 km/h).
#3
If that is what the 07 manual says I would have to think it is a typo. The 5 manual transfer cases that I have owned have all been able to shift from 2H to 4H at up to 50MPH without any trouble. These have ranged from a 71 Bronco to an 01 SD. To require nearly stopping to shift would be a quantum leap backwards in technology and convenience.
#6
No, it is not a misprint; you cannot put the '07, '06 or '05 MSOS transfer case into 4H while moving. This is why it is called MSOS - Manual Shift On Stop. Read for yourself:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...ls/default.asp
Trust me, I tried it while moving, you only get grinding gears. I ain't making this stuff up.
'04 and older it appears you can shift between 2H and 4H up to 50 MPH, again per the owner's manuals.
Based on that, I still say no, they are not the same on '05s and up, but are on '04s and older.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...ls/default.asp
Trust me, I tried it while moving, you only get grinding gears. I ain't making this stuff up.
'04 and older it appears you can shift between 2H and 4H up to 50 MPH, again per the owner's manuals.
Based on that, I still say no, they are not the same on '05s and up, but are on '04s and older.
Last edited by FTE Ken; 02-19-2007 at 09:32 AM.
#7
I dont think they are the same cases. I have a 2001 F350 CC Diesel with the electric shift 4x4. It is an NP273 Transfer case. I have the shifter and all the linkage to change it to a manual shift but it doesn't even come close. I did some research and found that I need an NP271 Transfer Case to complete the conversion. Just my $.02.
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#11
Originally Posted by redford
No, it is not a misprint; you cannot put the '07, '06 or '05 MSOS transfer case into 4H while moving. This is why it is called MSOS - Manual Shift On Stop. Read for yourself:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...ls/default.asp
Trust me, I tried it while moving, you only get grinding gears. I ain't making this stuff up.
'04 and older it appears you can shift between 2H and 4H up to 50 MPH, again per the owner's manuals.
Based on that, I still say no, they are not the same on '05s and up, but are on '04s and older.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...ls/default.asp
Trust me, I tried it while moving, you only get grinding gears. I ain't making this stuff up.
'04 and older it appears you can shift between 2H and 4H up to 50 MPH, again per the owner's manuals.
Based on that, I still say no, they are not the same on '05s and up, but are on '04s and older.
Last edited by FTE Ken; 02-19-2007 at 09:31 AM.
#12
Originally Posted by cgl
Could it be that your front hubs were not in the "Lock" position? That would explain the grinding.
They call the manual case MSOS, Manual Shift On Stop.
Last edited by redford; 01-12-2007 at 05:15 PM.
#13
From what I was told the ESOF cases are the same as they have been using for several years.
The MSOS they have been using in 05 06 07 are heavier duty and are NOT susposed to shifted over 3 MPH, but you can shift at higher speeds if you hit it just right. Like a manual tranny without using the clutch.
Jim
The MSOS they have been using in 05 06 07 are heavier duty and are NOT susposed to shifted over 3 MPH, but you can shift at higher speeds if you hit it just right. Like a manual tranny without using the clutch.
Jim
#14
Originally Posted by redford
No, they were locked and no it is not a misprint (for the second time). They changed somethign starting in '05.
They call the manual case MSOS, Manual Shift On Stop.
They call the manual case MSOS, Manual Shift On Stop.
Try it with the hubs locked, it'll work just fine.
#15
Originally Posted by BFR250SD
If your hubs were not locked, that's what is causing the grinding. Your front end is at a dead stop, while the rest of drive line is turning.
Try it with the hubs locked, it'll work just fine.
Try it with the hubs locked, it'll work just fine.
Go to the manual link and check out the '05 or '06 manual. Do a search on MSOS and read up.