6.4L Power Stroke Diesel Engine fitted to 2008 - 2010 F250, F350 and F450 pickup trucks and F350 + Cab Chassis

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Old 12-08-2006, 10:44 PM
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Exclamation just spoke to a ford insider

the new 6.4l is expected to run well, had a few problems early in testing with head breakeage and block cracks due to castings. my insider now works for gm diesel and is still in contact with former co- workers at ford diesel development. the main problem they are having is (in both ford and gm new engines) is the lack of lubricitity(i no i misspelled) of the new fuel. they are both stressing fuel adds with new fuel. i will be picking my sources brain the rest of the weekend and will try to give all details.
 
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:37 AM
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awesome, keep us posted.
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 06:25 AM
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What can I add to the low sulfur diesel to get me better lubricity ??
I want to keep my 7.3 running for a long time.. I already add power service..
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:28 AM
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Try Ford PM-17-A. It works great. I was made a believer at a dealership and customer had a truck with rough idle, smoking, etc. Service manager poured some into the tank and the truck smoothed right out.
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:39 AM
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Try Ford PM-17-A. It works great. I was made a believer at a dealership and customer had a truck with rough idle, smoking, etc. Service manager poured some into the tank and the truck smoothed right out.
He's Right, PM-17-A Cetaine Booster is great. But Ford Posted to us that You CAN NOT ad it to use in the new 6.4L. Its is fine to use with both low-sulfer and Ultra-low sulfer in both the 7.3L & 6.0L.
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:20 PM
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i heard speculation that gas stations would add their own cetaine booster to the fuel to make up for the lack of lubricity in the new ultra-low. kinda like how nearly every gas station has their own additives to gas, makes sense to me atleast.
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:45 PM
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All diesel has cetane. The higher the number the more power capability. The government does NOT test or require fuel companies to post what they are pumping (unlike octane for gasoline). Therefore you never know what you are buying and why fuel can seem different from station to station.

Power Strokes need a minimum of 40 cetane to operate well. International engineers tested across the country and found cetane ranging from the low 30's to the mid 40's. Cetane boost will help overcome low cetane at the pump.

Lubricity agents are to be added by the fuel companies. Again, there is no goverenment testing so you never know what you are getting. PM-17-A from Ford treats 125 gallons for about $6. This means you can find out if it helps for $1 per tank. This hooked me -- it was very cheap to give it a try and I found it was worth it!
 
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Old 12-13-2006, 03:38 PM
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dunbar15,

Check out the Stanadyne Lubricity formula, we sell all their products as they are Ford, GM and Dodge OEM approved and as such you will have no warranty issues. Plus Stanadyne has been in the injection business forever and knows the needs of the systems as they build pumps and such. If you have any questions on it let me know, we'll be glad to help you on it.

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Old 12-14-2006, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ccerniglia
He's Right, PM-17-A Cetaine Booster is great. But Ford Posted to us that You CAN NOT ad it to use in the new 6.4L. Its is fine to use with both low-sulfer and Ultra-low sulfer in both the 7.3L & 6.0L.
All the bottles were relabelled to say that you can use them with ULSD, but can NOT use them in an engine designated to run on ULSD... this is going to get confusing!
 
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Indeed it is....and costly.

BTW: As thelogster stated, it is not the gas stations that will be mixing the lubricity additives...it is the distributors. Regardless, I have not read what measures are being taken to assure that proper Q.C. measures will take place or if there is any accountability tracking back to the distributors.

I have also read that, so far, you cannot use fuel adds in ULSD only engines. Hopefully that will change.
 
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:23 PM
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although expensive, the redline diesel catalyst works great!
 
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So where is a good online place to buy this PM-17-A. I don't know if they will stock it local in alaska?
 
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:01 AM
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So where is a good online place to buy this PM-17-A. I don't know if they will stock it local in alaska?
Try online...
 
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:25 AM
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Try powerstrokeshop dot com for the Ford additive....or you can give Diesel Kleen a try, it's available at Walmart
 
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Old 12-17-2006, 02:23 PM
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years back we used to run kero in a truck in the winter and added a qt of 30w non to the tank which was 50 gals. will we be able to do simular with the 6.4 and ulsd a qt of 20 or 30w straight up or less to each tank just to lube the injectors?
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