The end is near

[NoMo]

The BOSS is back. Triton engines look like they'll end in '09 for sure... even sooner for the pickups.

[TeamMudd]

Originally Posted by NoMo

The BOSS is back.

Triton engines look like they'll end in '09 for sure... even sooner for the pickups.

i don't see anything reguarding the V10????? notice the MUSTANG, EXPIDITION, and F150 mentioned alot..............nothing about F250 and up

highly doubt that Ford drops the AWSOME $600.oo V10 option. now the 5.4L in a SD...........maybe it does need a boost in power! but then you have to think if they add power to a V8, how much difference will there be between the new BOSS V8 and a V10 in a SD?? might have more HP and torque for "racing", whitch usualy means small power bands (high rpm peaks) for HP and TQ. might not compete with the AWSOME flat torque curve of the V10 threw the rpm's.

[lariat79sc]

A while back they came up with a 429cid V10 different of the v10 found in the trucks. It was a prototype for a new boss mustang. It was of interest,
but I guess it got shelved,... or did it? If I remember right it had more power than the current 3 valve engine.

[NoMo]

Originally Posted by TeamMudd

i don't see anything reguarding the V10????? notice the MUSTANG, EXPIDITION, and F150 mentioned alot..............nothing about F250 and up

There was no specific mention of the V10, but I can't see Ford continuing to produce the 6.8L when the 5.4L is gone. It just wouldn't make financial sense. Not to mention the fact that at least one of the new BOSS V8s will exceed the V10 in both displacement and power (according to rumor).

[Fredvon4]

I think that when Ford upped the tow haul capacity to the point where a F350 is legitimately a 2 1/2 ton truck now, (I can safely put over 5000 LBs in my bed right now!) and with the addition of a F-450 Pickup truck with even higher load capacity, I think they are wedded firmly to the 5R110w Auto transmission for another decade...

I doubt it will be easy to mate this huge trans to a new small block BOSS / Hurricane non modular. The internals of the 5R110w can be adapted to being a 6 speed and technically is is one of the highest torque input rated transmission available...Allison is in this group...have you ever seen the input diameter of the front of these tranys?. Do you think the HP and Torque of a 302 will be adversely effected by a 13~15 inch diameter fly wheel / torque converter?

I look for the BOSS to be the option motor and the 5.4 modular to be the low end standard base motor in the 'stang...

And look for insurance companies to cringe! The current crop of go fast two door retro cars is plenty fast and owners have great fun with tuning them for even better reliability and speed...after market sales for this class vehicle is in the billions of dollars annually...

Bottom line is... I see a 6.8L option out past 2012 in the medium / heavy duty truck class... The "trucks" the article is talking about, are the F150s, Ford's cash cow. It is 06~07 already and we have the 08s coming down the line right now... We first heard about the Hurricane in 01~02 I believe... FoMoCo is, as usual, moving at a glacial pace to stop the bleeding...

I have a question for the magazine writers.... Just what NA gas motor out there has any more capability, torque, and fuel efficiency then the 6.8L 3v V10 F250 - F350 - F450 - F550 truck motor? Chevy dropped the 8.1L monster 496CI BB right? (yes more HP and torque..but a gas pig it was)

The Dodge Hemi is not even in the same class and never will be... and as long as they own the best diesel design (Cummins) they are not too motivated to get into the NA gas mid / big block arena in the heavy truck class...

If FoMoCo would stop screwing around the triton 6.8L 3v V10 is their cash cow right under their noses...what a bunch of dummies!

No doubt you can tune the puny 302 Boss for gobs of HP but I seriously doubt it will ever match the TORQUE curve of this V10... in fact I can confidently bet money on that fact...any takers?

[TeamMudd]

^^^^ well put! after reading article after article when searching threw google, about the V10's.........Ford has he market! with the 8.1L out, or heading out, ford has the "big block" under wraps!

just think how many hemi's do you see in 3500 dodges.........hardly any to none!
how many V10's are out there in SD's...........

[Krewat]

The BOSS is supposed to be an OHC motor. All I see is a 5.4 with a bigger bore spacing.

CAD software wise, it's not hard to extend the current modular bore spacing.

Matter of fact, that article doesn't mention the SIZE of the new motor? If I read it correctly, is it really going to be a 5.0L ???

Or the 6.2 that they said the Hurricane was going to be? I don't see 6.2L anywhere in that article.

Maybe they are just going to produce an over-bored or slightly stroked 4.6L ??? Not hard to go from 281 cubes to 302 or so.

[Ace!]

If they drop the 5.4, that'd be one modular, and it might mean more costs for the V10...but I don't know.

If you're building work trucks I can't imagine putting in a BOSS, seems opposite of what would work best. I'd imagine the BOSS in an F150 and the 5.4 MAY be dropped in the Superduty, but I would think the V10 and the diesel to be in Superdutys for a long time. Ford NEEDS the V10 for a work truck, not a BOSS.

[captchas]

first thing ford would need to do is wake up thier lieing dealers who always say the v10 is a gas pig trying to get you into a psd where they make more profit.
if we do see a new optional v8 in the super duty i'd bet they say the same about it. it's a big gas pig you need a psd,

i know i posted some where else.i was at a dealer this week picking up parts for the shop.that dealers owner was out side and asked me how i could drive such a gas pig. man was i ever hot about that.

we drive what has to be fords best little known or talked about towing machines . all ford needs to do is wake up and end the bs from thier own dealership owners and salemen. and then drop the 5.4 in a super duty to prove them wrong.

yes who said make it bigger in cubes i agree with you. turn it into a 460 yeehaaa.jason how about a 8.0 litter v10 with vvt and little forced air?

[be250]

hey what i was thinking, for years now is a 8.0 v12,just add two more to the v10. goto a eletric fan & there is room under the hood just ,dreaming barry

[pops_91710]

Originally Posted by lariat79sc

A while back they came up with a 429cid V10 different of the v10 found in the trucks. It was a prototype for a new boss mustang. It was of interest,
but I guess it got shelved,... or did it? If I remember right it had more power than the current 3 valve engine.

I read in a magazine that the V10 they put in that Mustang was a 351, not a 429. (There was also a 427). It was not a prototype, but rather it was an unauthorized project the SVT team made on the side just for a hoot. The track performance of it was incredible.
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/050401.html

[captchas]

yegads mike! were is ford hideing them.

[Krewat]

Interestingly:

"Not only is there a more than 60-lb weight savings (compared to the iron block 5.4-liter Cobra R V8 from which the team borrowed the head design), because there are two more pulses per revolution, we probably can calibrate this engine to produce a net fuel economy increase."

I've always wondered what the 72-degree spacing does to torque and fuel economy.

I'd love to see a torque curve for the entire 720 degrees. As in, every time a cylinder fires, there's an increase in torque for a certain amount of time before the next cylinder fires. Most likely a sawtooth waveform, without the sharp edges

The V10 keeps that waveform up higher in the range than a V8 does, just because it fires every 72 degrees instead of 90.

What I mean is:

A 6.8L V8 would NOT produce as much torque as a 6.8L V10.

[lariat79sc]

I'm sure I spotted a 429 V10 concept or maybe it was this^^^? All I know is my choice wouldn't be a new shelby if a new Boss mustang with some form of V10 was an option. I'm loving my new to me V10 so much I might never own another V8 ever again. So for myself and peeps like me I hope Ford continues to offer more than just the common 8.

[TeamMudd]

here's the cobra V10 concept

http://www.diseno-art.com/encycloped...lby_cobra.html

i havn't found a mustang V10 concept yet but still 600+ hp and 500+ torque.............sign me up for one when i'm a millionare ahahaha!