Bio-diesel and Diesel Kleen ?

atomicglock · #1 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006, 05:33 AM

First off, if this has been posted before, I apologise(sp?). I did a search and didn't find anything.

I bought my first tank of B-20 yesterday. It was only 2 cents more expensive than regular diesel so I figured I might as well try it out.

My questions are:
1) Is Diesel Kleen compatible with bio-diesel? Do I even need it? I've always added 16 oz. to every tank full (except in winter). I didn't add any this time in case it wasn't.

2) What about using anti-gel in the winter? Any special considerations I should know about when using bio-diesel in cold weather?

Thanks.
Howard

fabmandelux · #2 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by atomicglock

First off, if this has been posted before, I apologise(sp?). I did a search and didn't find anything.

I bought my first tank of B-20 yesterday. It was only 2 cents more expensive than regular diesel so I figured I might as well try it out.

My questions are:
1) Is Diesel Kleen compatible with bio-diesel? Do I even need it? I've always added 16 oz. to every tank full (except in winter). I didn't add any this time in case it wasn't.

2) What about using anti-gel in the winter? Any special considerations I should know about when using bio-diesel in cold weather?

Thanks.
Howard

You won't need Diesel Kleen with biodiesel at all. Using B-20 will have no gelling problems either! It is only with higher consentrations of biodiesel that blending is needed.

FABMANDELUX.

atomicglock · #3 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006, 09:03 AM

COOL!! So, depending on how much more B-20 is over regular diesel, I might actually save some money. Thanks

Howard

adambomb · #4 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 03:05 PM

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COOL!! So, depending on how much more B-20 is over regular diesel, I might actually save some money.

Yeah,
you can save a little money, support American Farmers, and help the enviornment.

win win win if you ask me.

pile_53574 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 08:45 PM

How's about a B5 blend would you still add a little Diesel Kleen??

fabmandelux · #6 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pile_53574

How's about a B5 blend would you still add a little Diesel Kleen??

Nope! Just 2 percent Biodiesel increases the lubricity of dinodiesel by 65 PERCENT......And it will clean out the fuel system.

FABMANDELUX.

adambomb · #7 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 09:06 PM

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How's about a B5 blend would you still add a little Diesel Kleen??

i don't think you need to add any DK if you are using B5. they say that even as little as 2% bio replaces the lubricty lost in low sulfer fuel these days. Check out this LINK they have alot of info regarding this question.

jimkidd · #8 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 10:39 PM

Experiment. Try different ratios. You may find you don't need it but you may also find you get a little better MPG if you do. The key is to document. That's why I use the oil I do and change it when I do and why I buy my fuel and additives where I do. It may or may not be the lowest cost per gallon (or quart in the case of oil) but over time I've found a combination that offers a lower total cost of ownership.

Just my 2¢.

jimbo

FARM69 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 09:30 PM

Wait, I always thought bio gelled up something terrible in the winter months?

fabmandelux · #10 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FARM69

Wait, I always thought bio gelled up something terrible in the winter months?

I have been using B-80 the last 2 winters [never got below 10 above tho] with 0 problems. If I see the forecast going lower than that this winter, I'll blend down to B-60. The tests I've run on the bio we produce here on the ranch show that B-60 will not start to gel untill about -5 deg.

FABMANDELUX.

FARM69 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 10:22 AM

Hmm... Thats very strange. Its nearly impossible to run soy diesel here in the winter (in Iowa). I still have about 45 gal to use up so I'm getting a little concerned since I have no big trips in the future. Maybe its the kind of bio? Just a thought.

Gun-Driver · #12 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 02:37 PM

I am currently running B-80 here in Pa. I would like to continue that ratio through the winter. I take several trips to Canada during the winter where the temps can drop below zero. Will running DK with that blend be suffficient.

FARM69 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 03:43 PM

I'm pretty sure it depends on what kind of bio your using. I've done a little research on it and it seems like the soy gells at a higher temp than others. Which sucks because a lot of machines use it and for the tax break we get. Running DK will help it from gelling, but as far as 80% bio I don't know how much you will have to tank mix.

Phydeaux88 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 06:52 PM

If you blend the soy base BD with #2 you can drop the gel point.

It might be a good idea to experiment with various blends to see what works.

fabmandelux · #15 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FARM69

Hmm... Thats very strange. Its nearly impossible to run soy diesel here in the winter (in Iowa). I still have about 45 gal to use up so I'm getting a little concerned since I have no big trips in the future. Maybe its the kind of bio? Just a thought.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/53...t-trouble.html Post #5.

Any bio will be ok if you blend #1-#2 with it. Just put some in a jar with a thermometer in it, and put it in your fridge. Check it often and when you see it just start to cloud up, you've found the gel-point. Try different blends till you find a mix that stays cloud free at the temp you need and you are set.

FABMANDELUX.