Statement from engine manufacturers assc.

bigredtruckmi · #1 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 06:44 PM

Here is a statement of the use of raw veg oil / animal fats in diesel engines.
http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/a...upload/891.pdf

What do you think?

Fraalan · #2 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 07:39 PM

i dont buy the report

Phydeaux88 · #3 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 10:50 PM

Fraalan
Do you have any solid evidence to back up your position.
I believe the DOE does.

fabmandelux · #4 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 11:16 PM

I believe it! That is why I make Biodiesel............................

Fraalan · #5 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 11:03 AM

I misread, my mistake.first mistake in yrs

vettdvr · #6 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 02:33 PM

It would seem that if you are willing to take the risk of engine damage go ahead. Unfortunately there is no highway/road tax on veg. oil that the gov. would collect. I 'm not saying there is a conflice of interest here on $$, but the Fuel oil supplier makes big $$ selling diesel fuel and so does the goverment on taxes. Now consider why would you kill a cash cow and say,, sure use all the veg oil you want. Naw,, better to say,, it is bad for your engine and you won't like it. I didn't see any qualitive data in the report that ran blackstone test on engine oil or dissassembly test where wear measurements were made against engine specs. What I saw was "you guys should not use it cause you won't like it". Ok so I am a skeptic. Remember Wilbur and Orvil.. Heavy stuff just won't fly. Are we having fun. Jim

jetdoc · #7 (**permalink**) 08-18-2006, 06:18 AM

"EMA is a Non governmental organization in special consultative status with the economic and social council of the united nations" read the fine print at the bottom.

willbd · #8 (**permalink**) 08-18-2006, 10:08 AM

http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/about/

They are the lobbyist for the engine manufactures.

Phydeaux88 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-18-2006, 01:25 PM

While they may be lobbyists for the engine manufacturers EMA doesn't have any financial interest in whether or not you pay road taxes; therefore, it is unreasonable to ascribe sinister motives, to their B5 recommendation, for the purpose of supporting collection of road taxes.

I doubt they have any financial interest in what type of fuel you burn, since they don't sell fuel; however, they do have an interest in the way the fuel may affect an engines reliability.
If you carefully read the literature they've put out, on the topic of BioDiesel, you'll find that the reason EMA doesn't endorse the use of anything higher than B5 is because there are no standards that cover B100 or Bio/Petro blends over 5% Bio (B5). There are two existing standards one covers Petro diesel and the other covers Bio that is suitable for blending with Petro. A blend of 5% standard compliant Bio with Petro also happens to meet the existing standard for unblended Petro so EMA endorses its use. Once standards are developed and thoroughly tested for higher percentage blends it will be in EMA's best interest to endorse those blends

leskwvo · #10 (**permalink**) 08-18-2006, 02:58 PM

A heated WVO system will have very similar spary patterns as #2. They fail to mention that in this report.

Most of what the say is very true in a unheated veggie systema nd can be found in many other reports all over the internet going back years.

willbd · #11 (**permalink**) 08-18-2006, 03:22 PM

I was just pointing out the small print is a little misleading about the UN.
They are trying to set polices to meet the needs of the paying members.

http://www.enginemanufacturers.org/a...upload/158.pdf