Ok lets start by saying that I agree strongly that chevy has payed funds to say that they are the winner the ford is only secends behind in the Quater Mile and has more pay load and towing capibilty Fords just put the power to the ground unlike chevs which are proborly dyno testing trucks

TOWING A 9,380 Pound Bobcat with trailer Chevy 1st secends behind was Ford 3rd came Dodge

2006 Dodge 3500 Larimie Ram Mega Cab 2wd (Both Chev and fords tested were 4x4s Fords wasint FX4 Package)

they say the Ram has a great history with the current 5.9 Cummins it would be likely that a 5th wheel trailer would hit the back of the cab due to the box size basicly the cab sufficates the box.

2006 Ford F-350 King Ranch Crew Cab 4WD

The King Ranch has a weight of 8160 800 pounds more than dodge they coment on the 4.30 Gear Ratio as the other trucks use the 3.73 ratio, The Transmission was quick and firm when towing with ford it felt solid and confidet Trailer Brake assist was a good feature

2006 Chevrolet 3500 3LT Crew 4WD

Referred to as the Hotrod of the bunch Produced more Horsepower and Torque on the Dyno, chevys chassis is dated in comparision to Ford and Dodge they then say this well be redefined for 2007, alot of freeway hop which was blamed on a weaker framer or stiffer suspension dampering the trailer feels heavier when behind the chev not as bold as the other 2 Tow/Haul Mode was inspiring Cab ofers less space than the comps.

they then compare the 3 trucks in a chart

Ram as Tested 50,420
Base Price 44,705
Engine 5.9L I-6 Cummins

Horse Power
289.9 @2,944 rpm SAE, as tested at the wheels
325 @2,900 rpm SAE is Factory Spec

Torque 530.6 @2,711 rpm SAE as tested at the wheels
610 @ 1,600 rpm SAE is factory spec

Transmission 4 Speed Auto

Axle ratio 3.73

GVWR & CCWR
10,500 LB & 23,000LB

Max Trailer Weight
15,600 lb

Payload 3240 lb

0-60 9.6 Without Trailer 22.94 with trailer

Quater Mile 17.16 @7m mph without trailer 23.24 ecc @57.8 mph with trailer

MPG 13.75 average as tested

Ford As Tested 51,780
Base Price 38,855
Engine 6.0L V-8 PSD

HP 274.8 @3,323 rpm SAE as tested at wheels 325 @3,300 rpm SAE is factory Spec

Torque 443.6 @ 3,155 rpm SAE, as tested at wheels 570 @2,000 rpm SAE is factory spec

Tranmsission 5 Speed Auto

Axle Ratio 4.30

GVWR 13,000 LB % 26,000LB

Payload 5,300 LB

Max Trailer weight
15,000 lb is factory base

0-60
9.89 Secends with out trailer 22.15 with trailer

Quater Mile 17.42 sec @78.71 mph without trailer 22.98 @60.89 mph with trailer

MPG as tested
14.3

Chevy as tested 47,980
Base Price 40,920
Engine 6.6L V8 6600 Duramax Diesel

Horsepower 315.7 @ rpm 3,245 SAE as tested at wheels
360 @ 3,200 rpm SAE is factory spec

Torque 569.5 @3.375 rpm SAE as tested at wheels
650@ 1,600 rpm SAE is factory spec

Tranmission Six Speed Auto

Axle Ratio 3.73

GVWR 11,400 & 23,500

Max Trailer Weight 12,000 lb

Payload 4,848

0-60 8.77 sec with out trailer 18.98 with trailer

Quater Mile16.87 @ 81.82 mph without trailer 21.82 sec @64 mph with trailer

They named chevy the winner, Which of the 3 actully tow more? Ford !!!

 

MPG Chevy was 15.57 average as tested

 

i hate testing between trucks like this.

no one ever actually comapres all 3 trucks correctly, they are all different in some aspects, gearing, 4x4 or not, megacab, standard cab, etc etc, why do they just not get idenically equiped trucks, one trailer and then compare?

to me its just a way for what ever magazine to put a little biased in the competion in favor of who ever pays the most in advertising.

 

yup and it always the chev with the advertisements so they win right, when well we ever see a real test how about a trailer that weighs 19,200 pounds ( the Max factory spec for a Ford Diesel) and hook it to the chev and dodge i bet they wont be able to tow it

 

everyone go to the ford site and check out the RV and Towing guide very sweet http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/superduty/ oh and load up some drywall while your there to click on Towing Guide its in the Reference part

 

Pretty much proves what I've been saying for weeks........the Duramax/Allison flat hauls.

Interesting that even with taller gearing, the GM was still quicker.....

Yes, the Ford is rated to tow more, looks better, may be tougher.....blah....blah...blah..but IF you only need to tow a trailer that weighs less than 12,000 pounds, the GM has more huevos.

At the risk of being redundant, a Super Duty with the GM drivetrain woud be a perfect truck.............here's hoping the 6.4 PSD redeems Ford's honor.

 

they should all pull a trailer that weighs 15,000 pounds and lets see who wins

 

Sure it would!

Thanks for the laugh!

 

Laugh all you'd like...........it's good for the soul.

Just do me a favor, take the Blue Oval Blinders off for one afternoon.

Go to a GMC dealer (GMC's are ugly but not as ugly as the Chevy)

Drive an '06 Duramax with 6 speed Allison........then come back and give me your HONEST opinion.

DO NOT tell me how you drove an '05 and it has turbo lag and ......blah....blah...blah.. It has to be the '06.


You can spit and cuss and call names and tell me how pappy drove Fords and how your friend's grandmom's uncle's chevy dies with negative miles on the odometer....................but just drive that new 650 pound feet and 6 speed auto drivetrain, listen too, take a whiff while you're there..........it clearly outclasses the Ford diesel without a doubt.

Check my sig.....I'll bleed Ford blue for ya. But I'm not so blind to see that we've been beat this year in the powetrain dept.

 

That would be a GREAT test.....because 90% of light duty truck owners use their truck in that capacity...


There hasn't been anybody that denies the Ford is rated for more weight....does that really matter to the MAJORITY of recreational truck users???


Try it another way;

If we all had 12,000-15,000 pound trailers it looks like we'd have to buy the Ford (or go to the medium duty line of trucks) but MOST of us don't.....MOST of us have +- 5,000 pound boats or +- 10,000# toy haulers.. In those categories, the GM powetrain works better....PERIOD!!!


Get over it guys...........it's just like you favorite sports team losing....you can make all the excuses in the world.....they still lost.

 

You can mod a PS or Cummins and have more power than a stock DM, then you don't have to drive a turd on wheels to get 15% more hp and torque. I carry 3000lbs in the bed of my 6.0 with ease. How much power do you need? Why does the Chevy weigh 800lbs less? Because it is not as heavy duty as Ford. Period. I don't know about anybody else but I tested all three at the end of last year. If the new DM had been out then it would have made no difference to me. It was and still is the worst choice of the three in my opinion. Sits too low, looks like crap, and the ride is not to my taste. A 325 Hp pick-up truck with 570 ftlbs of torque is plenty for just about anything. All three companies should work on better fuel economy. All three trucks have plenty of power. How about 20-25 mpg instead of 14-20? That would be some selling point right now and when fuel goes over $4.00 gal in the not too distant future.

 

Good point on the fuel economy...........There's some irony in that. This latest power craze just may have contributed some to these fuel prices.


Not EVER modding a vehicle under warranty again........when I worked for a Ford dealer way back it was cake to get a modded vehicle fixed under warranty......the last few warranty claims on my Fords have been nothing short of a Spanish inquisition.

They actually denied noisey U-joints on the Ranger because of after market spindles!!! When I "politely" explained to the tech/manager/foreman that the spindles do NOT alter pinion angle and that the rear of the truck was not touched, they said I had to take it up with the rep during his next visit.....in 3 weeks!!! This was over a $13 part!!!


Not sure why you're still arguing the negatives of the GM truck......I pretty much agree with all of them......even though every one of them is a personal point of view. (except the lower stance which still has not been proven IMO)

All I'm saying is with nearly 85 pound feet more of STOCK torque the D/A is a nicer piece than the current STOCK PSD.

Even if the objective numbers weren't more better..........the whole anti-diesel personality of the Dmax makes it more desirable to me on a subjective level.


All I ask is that you drive the new combo and just give me your opinion on the powertrain...........not the truck........just the way the motor/trans feels.

The total lack of NVH....


One more time...........I really hope;

a) The '08 Super Duties do not look like the spy shots.

b) The 6.4 PSD regains our bragging rights. (which will be hilarious because most of the people who are saying HP/torque isn't all that important will be jumping for joy if Ford regains the top spot)

 

If it means anything, I also thought the 8.1 was marginally better than the V10 in '01 when I bought my Super Duty.

Also thought the 5 speed Allison was MILES ahead of the 4R100 Ford trans..


Guess which one I bought (and still have)

 

i really wouldn't care if chevy had 1,000 lbs of torque and 800 hp, got 30mpg, and had a 500k mile bumper to bumper warranty, they are UGLY!!! wait.......i think i could get over the looks with those numbers. but you all know what i mean.

 

Doho,

I believe you. It's a good powertrain. Everybody is almost starting over for 2008. Should be VERY interesting.