Carburetor on 1997 ranger?
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For simplicity, it's hard to beat that Weber. Is it the 32/36 DGV? That's a downdraft progressive 2bbl, I have one on my Alpine. Though similar, it's a much better carb than the Holley/Weber.
There are a number of manifolds on the market that fit the 2.3 and that will use the Weber, or a sidedraft DCOE Weber, or even two of them. But there's something to be said for making your own and using something unusual.
When I was racing mini-stocks, the hot setup was 4 Mikuni snowmobile carbs with a Honda 750/4 throttle cable to actuate them. I ran them for a season on my 2.0 and the smoothness, throttle repsonse and power was amazing. Yet it was docile enough for the street as well. Not to mention they looked really cool!
There are a number of manifolds on the market that fit the 2.3 and that will use the Weber, or a sidedraft DCOE Weber, or even two of them. But there's something to be said for making your own and using something unusual.
When I was racing mini-stocks, the hot setup was 4 Mikuni snowmobile carbs with a Honda 750/4 throttle cable to actuate them. I ran them for a season on my 2.0 and the smoothness, throttle repsonse and power was amazing. Yet it was docile enough for the street as well. Not to mention they looked really cool!
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Yup, that looks "cool" alright! I guess I will have to dig out that Weber and have a look at it; it has been stored for awhile, so its condition is suspect. And it is a progressive downdraft, so I guess it will be the 32/36 DVG series. One never knows what will be found in an old carb. I understand the rebuild kits are likely worth one of my pension cheques!
We'll see...
We'll see...
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Originally Posted by TLyttle
Hmmm, seems after all the yodelling that went on about EFI and carburetors, someone at one of the magazines (Modified Fords or somesuch) was in the midst of writing an article about the subject. Turns out that carbs aren't really that archaic after all, and that switching over from EFI can actually solve some problems that can't be solved with EFI.
Hmmmm...
Hmmmm...
Carbs are not dynamicly adjustable for air density nor air temp. You simply cannot work around this issue in a day to day driver with a carb.
Even the high performance engines of the sixties used a Hilborne fuel injection setup. Performance piston powered airplanes have used fuel injection for years. Sorry.. carbs are dead! And may they rest in peace. I enjoy working on new stuff so much better.
At least my opinion! David
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Originally Posted by dmanlyr
I am curious as to what problem cannot be cured with EFI but can be cured with a carb? No offense, but if the EFI system is working properly it will out perform a carb in any day to day driving situation, and in my 33 years of earning my living as a professional mechanic, EFI wil run longer between problems than a carb.
Carbs are not dynamicly adjustable for air density nor air temp. You simply cannot work around this issue in a day to day driver with a carb.
Even the high performance engines of the sixties used a Hilborne fuel injection setup. Performance piston powered airplanes have used fuel injection for years. Sorry.. carbs are dead! And may they rest in peace. I enjoy working on new stuff so much better.
At least my opinion! David
Carbs are not dynamicly adjustable for air density nor air temp. You simply cannot work around this issue in a day to day driver with a carb.
Even the high performance engines of the sixties used a Hilborne fuel injection setup. Performance piston powered airplanes have used fuel injection for years. Sorry.. carbs are dead! And may they rest in peace. I enjoy working on new stuff so much better.
At least my opinion! David
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Well, could be. I read the article in MM&FF. and there indeed two sides to this debate. At the moment, I have an injector that won't work properly, and I can't fix it with a screwdriver, and the local NAPA wants $145 for a new one. Then I am faced with the guessing game of which injector is it; I suppose there is an expensive piece of equipment that I can buy to tell me that. Or I can buy a full set... you do the math...
Meantime, I can buy an overhaul kit for any of the carbs I have here (except maybe the Weber) for under $60.
Because I am a pensioner, and because I CAN work with carbs, I will opt for the carb thank you very much. I was there when the Hilborn stuff came out, and I was no more impressed then than I am now. I was getting both performance AND mileage out of SUs then; but I wasn't drag racing either, so maybe that lets me out of the loop here.
We'll see...
Meantime, I can buy an overhaul kit for any of the carbs I have here (except maybe the Weber) for under $60.
Because I am a pensioner, and because I CAN work with carbs, I will opt for the carb thank you very much. I was there when the Hilborn stuff came out, and I was no more impressed then than I am now. I was getting both performance AND mileage out of SUs then; but I wasn't drag racing either, so maybe that lets me out of the loop here.
We'll see...
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Originally Posted by TLyttle
If a light comes on telling me the check the engine, it should at least be smart enough to tell me what the specific problem is!
You would be suprised how simple EFI can be.
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So, if I read this right, the scanner will tell me which injector is toast? Okay, that would help. The $30 scanner is $50 up here, and I have no idea what "Autozone" is, never seen it up here.
Ah, the problems of being outside the USA equipment sphere. Easy enough for you, but it's is not the same all over the planet.
Also, I was looking through other 2.3 specs and found that the advertised horsepower varied from 85hp to 91hp on carbs. I can only assume that the model of carb made for the discrepancies...
Ah, the problems of being outside the USA equipment sphere. Easy enough for you, but it's is not the same all over the planet.
Also, I was looking through other 2.3 specs and found that the advertised horsepower varied from 85hp to 91hp on carbs. I can only assume that the model of carb made for the discrepancies...
Last edited by TLyttle; 09-07-2006 at 08:28 PM. Reason: added
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Sorry, you didnt mention where you live. Autozone is a parts store down here. You just walk in and tell them you have a check engine light, and they will take a scanner to your car and scan it, then print out a slip that tells you the code, and what it means. Im sure there is someplace in your area that would do the same.
Pulling the plugs and checking them should tell you if an injector is spraying too much or too little fuel. Then you just replace the fauly injector.
As for scanners, look on ebay and find one that will do what you need it to. You can get them pretty cheap. Try searching with "obd2 scanner ford". I paid a lot more than $30 for mine, but it does real-time scans of all sensors while the engine is running or driving. Its just a matter of what or how many features you need it to do.
Pulling the plugs and checking them should tell you if an injector is spraying too much or too little fuel. Then you just replace the fauly injector.
As for scanners, look on ebay and find one that will do what you need it to. You can get them pretty cheap. Try searching with "obd2 scanner ford". I paid a lot more than $30 for mine, but it does real-time scans of all sensors while the engine is running or driving. Its just a matter of what or how many features you need it to do.
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Originally Posted by 73f100shortbed
To find out which injector is bad if you unplug the wire you can tell which one is bad by the difference in how the engine runs. It's a lot easier to find out which injector is bad then swap to a carb. Also cheaper then converting to a carb.
*Unless of course you are working on a diesel
If a injector is dead it can be found by disconnecting a individual unit (as mentioned), or one at a time grounding out the spark plug leads in order. If a injector is dirty, then they can be cleaned, here in the Seattle area it runs about $25-$40 per injector to ultrasonicly clean / provide new seals.
How many miles are on your truck TLyittle ?
David
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