Hello to all, been awhile since I have posted. I know how people like to speculate. I was in Ohio talking to a acquaintance at Cleveland casting plant
and heard that they are in the running for 2 new blocks to be casted for 2009 models. They sure could use the work, and Ford sure has spent money modernizing the Cleveland plant. Cleveland does iron 5.4 blocks right now, and has been doing CGI as well for bearing caps for 5.4 and 4.6 engines and some 4.6 blocks. So one could speculate that the two engines are for trucks being that they are iron blocks. A check of the uaw web site for Cleveland mentions that they are in talks with Ford to bring the work for 2 new blocks to the plant. So there it is, all I know about this.
Anybody have any info or an idea what these could be?

 

Could be for cars, Even the GT500 is going to have a cast block. just aluminum heads.

I'll look foward to see what Ford comes out with for a new engine design three years from now. Probably flex fuel, maybe even, Tri-fuel?

 

I'm willing to bet somewhere down the road that Ford will bump the 4.6 to a 5.0 and the 5.4 to a 5.8 to gain the upper hand on HP and TQ again. Reason-It'll cost too much money to develop completely new motors when they've put so much $$ and R&D into these motors. They are very capable as they are, so by bumping the displacement up a bit, they'll easily be able to gain the upper hand on #'s while keeping costs down. Ford Racing already has the 5.0 Cammer being produced...

 

wouldn't that be nice, to have a 5.0 again byebye

 

Here we go again. I've argued this point, and I'll argue it till I die. I have owned BOTH mustangs with a 5.0, and I currently own one with the 4.6L. The 4.6L is a better motor, IMO. Its harder to work on and tinker with, but for your ordinary average guy who doesn't have a bunch of money, or time, or place to work on his motor, the 4.6 is now a better motor than the 5.0. The 302 had its day, and Ford had pretty much stretched it to the limits of possibilities without drastically increasing the cost of the cars.

Have nothing to say about 5.4 to 5.8L.

The only 302 I would take over my 4.6L would be one built to the max, or the cammer that i saw once. That DOHC 302 was an awesome concept. Ford should have jumped all over that.

 

hopefully they will snake...i too agree that the cammer is an awesome motor...

 

I think you are reading my post incorrectly. What I'm saying is that Ford will make the 4.6 into a 5.0 by increasing the displacement-but by keeping it a OHC motor. I merely meant the same thing with the 5.4 to a 5.8. I'm just saying that in a cost effect move for more power, Ford will increase the size of their Mod motors to gain the advantage. I'm not saying go back to the pushrod motors.

BTW- I've owned 5 (3 stangs, 2 trucks) 5.0 powered vehicles, and 2, 4.6 powered vehicles. Yes I'll agree the 4.6 is a great motor, with plenty of potential, but I believe the 5.4 is definitely far superior. The 5.0 pushrod motor was definitely not pushed to the max by Ford, it was restricted by a horrible intake design and even worse heads. The only good thing on the "newer" 5.0 pushrod motors was its cam.

 

Ok Ok, I thought you meant the old tried and true 302. If were going to increase displacement, why not just go with a 5.4L and a 6.0L or better for a bigger motor?

Really, I think the trend in the future will be to make the same motors better, or smaller motors more powerful. I mean come on, Fords getting as much horsepower out of a 6 banger mustang then were rated in the 302's and early 4.6's. With fuel economy and flexfuel vehicles being pushed, I wouldn't be surprised if the biggest motors you'll see for a while, are out there now.

 

I agree. Smaller motors and technology will win over. Which is why I don't see a 5.4 and 6.0 being developed, but I definitely feel that Ford could do the 5.0/5.8 again. If not for the power aspect, they could use it as a Marketing scheme just like GM and Dodge. I could definitely see the 5.8 manhandling Chevy and Dodge in the Torque department, and the 5.0 would be more potent as well when comparing to the 4.7 and 4.8. In my opinion I think all the trucks will stick with a small 4 to 5 liter motor as a base V8 and a larger 5 1/2 to 6 liter V8 for the towing/hauling needs where the torque is most important.

 

If Ford goes with a motor for marketing, don't you think they'd reintroduce the cobra jet? or the BOSS?

 

Like a boss 302

 

I think you will struggle to increase the capacity of either motor (it can be done on the 4.6l, by stoking it to 5.0l - thats it.
The 5.4l has no where to go...

 

Is there no room to bore?

 

haha - NO.

A bored 5.4l would be good, as it would equalize some of that rediculous stroke it has, but to my knowledge it can't be done

 

They never really pushed the new BOSS, I haven't seen it marketed on TV like the Mach 1 was a few years back. I always wondered if it was a special order or custom job like Saleen. I'd love to see the CJ come back. But that BOSS 429 was the hemi competition in its day, the BOSS could beat it again. The only problem is, BOSS isn't as well known as the name Hemi.