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Old 01-16-2006, 10:15 PM
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Question Ford says no more than B-5

Just exactly why does Ford recommend no higher percentage Bio than B-5?
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Old 01-16-2006, 10:35 PM
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Motor companies are in bed with the petroleum companies. Also easier to warrant things. People who run B5 probably are not home brewers so FMC can go after the fuel seller for warranty claims. Helps keep FMC from Possibly loosing money. No real concern just them CYA.
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I'll agree- oil companies are paying people to keep their mouth shut. The original diesel was designed to run peanut oil; however petro fuels were cheaper, and people bought it up.

Then again biodiesel will eventually turn the same way, I dont think it'll ever be any cheaper in the long run then commercial petro diesel; the feed stock crops will be eventually grown in another country because someone will want to make a bigger profit. Hopefully that wont happen but once someone starts making some money, they want to make more = greed/control.
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I'll agree- oil companies are paying people to keep their mouth shut. The original diesel was designed to run peanut oil; however petro fuels were cheaper, and people bought it up.

Then again biodiesel will eventually turn the same way, I dont think it'll ever be any cheaper in the long run then commercial petro diesel; the feed stock crops will be eventually grown in another country because someone will want to make a bigger profit. Hopefully that wont happen but once someone starts making some money, they want to make more = greed/control.
I dont know about the gloomy prediction but it seems to me that mass production, and I mean really large scale, of Bio Diesel could make it very competitive with the Dino stuff.

My primary concern in asking this question was that I had seen some posts which cited injector problems and possible o-ring and seal problems from using BD. My next thoughts were if the injectors are a problem why not replace them with other injectors Hmmmm heres a thought why not replace them with some Beans or Swamps ooooo I like the way mind works. hehehehe
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It'll be wishy washy, we'll find out sooner or later. I *think* the state of Michigan is going to require all diesel fuel in the State being sold that will require B5 very, very soon. To my understanding there is a company being built in Detroit that will produce 30million gallons /yr, I guess they have contracts with the casinos and such for their WVO.

As far as the seals, no thats like pre 94 vehicles I believe, all the post 94 is made with viton. As far as injectors go, I think its a myth. Though no long term in my 6.0, I do have plenty of miles under my belt in my 7.3 using commercial biodiesel. I have darn close to 400,000 miles and still have original injectors.
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I do have plenty of miles under my belt in my 7.3 using commercial biodiesel. I have darn close to 400,000 miles and still have original injectors.
At last a voice with experience to back it up

what level of BD were you using?

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no more than b5...

i think that ford may be afraid that the lye, or possibly other componants, may speed the rate of decay of plastic, rubber, or synthetic parts within the engine or fuel systems. keeping their recommendation to only 5% covers their *** a bit.
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what level of BD were you using?

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B20 majority.

All of my mileage is not all biodiesel. I started running Biodiesel at the 200k mark. I've since then have always went out of my way to purchase it. There's been times when I've been able to get B100, but mostly B20. I would honestly say about 100k of it is pure biodiesel. I have right now about 3k in WVO since I built my conversion on it. I'm just saying I have the high mileage with original injectors with the use of Biodiesel/WVO.

The truck still holds the same tune since the day I picked it up with 54 miles on it.

If you ever leave south Texas and come up into Dallas, take 35E and stop at Carl's Corner to get some of the Bio-***** fuel. I've met the guy who actually makes/supplies the fuel, definately some tasty stuff.
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I may head north in a couple of months but not until I can be sure there is NO danger of encountering a single snowflake.

I'll try it then
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Chris,

You are partially correct. With the ease of making BD, Ford doesn't want to have to warrant homebrewers mistakes etc. Commercially approved BD is made from Virgin Veg Oil, and they have to meet ASTM standards with every batch. That is also why Commercial BD is so much more expensive then Home Brew. That and they have to pay road taxes on it and that cost rolls over to us the consumer. I personally brew my own and have taken on the added risk of voiding my warranty. I have a lot of other mods done to my truck so they would probably void it long before the fuel was checked. Thus you play you pay. But I run two powerstrokes on my home brew. My heavily modded truck and Momma's stock X. I have a combined total of about 20,000 miles with no fuel related problems, actually no problems at all. So I for one am not too wooried about the warrnty issues. I do test my fuel before it goes into my truck and have had 1 batch ASTM tested and am making better quality fuel then the commercially made stuff I have bought here in Phx too. Good luck to all my fellow home brewers and lets not fund the war against our military keep American Money in America!!!
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