1948-1960: 1949/1950 VIN # Cut off - Page 27

mrcman58 · #**391** (**permalink**) 12-14-2007, 01:23 PM

Howdy all,

wow, 292251 verses 192251 for 6's, and 273088 verses 173088 for 8's.. a hundred thousand #'s off, I'am trying to check my sources to see if "back when" i wrote down a 1 insted of a 2 ?? on the info i gave, also now from what i have read here 2..... sounds closer to a cut off than 1..... does.

texan2004 · #**392** (**permalink**) 12-14-2007, 03:51 PM

There should be some more number/letters on there. I think you found the first four digits of the firewall stamping we are referencing.

16 = Paint Code = Chrome Yellow
HP = Assembly Plant = Highland Park, MI
A = Month of manufacture/Assembly = January
The next digit or two would be the build date. It's also possible (and quite likely) that there is/are one or two digist between the "HP" and the "A". I'v eonly got one other HP firewall stamping so it's tough for me to recognize a pattern with this plant. Some put the date in front of the month. Others put the date in back of the month. Depnds on the plant and when the truck was built.

Regarding the purpose of the thread - it was originally started to determine the VIN # cut off between 1949 and 1950 model years. It's morphed into quite a bit more. The answer to the original question is "it depends". Engine and assembly plant are variables in determining what the model year is for a VIN number. Ford continued the VIN #'s in 1950 where hey left off in 1949 instead of starting over again. Actually the 49 numbers were a continuation of the 1948 numbers but the first digit in the VIN was an 8 in 48 and a 9 in 49. In 1950, they kept the 9 at the beginning of the VIN.

Recirds on the trucks were lost many years agom in a fire or flood so they are not avaialbe from Ford. Tim (mtflat) learned about the firewall stampings and shared that with me. What we've done now is collected a bunch of VIN's and fiewall stampings to try and figure out what were the paint codes they used and the 1949/50 VIN # cut-off.

Apprecaite you helping. yours is a key one becuase it's and early 49. As I mentioned earlier, it's the earliest 49 we've come across and it has a fiewall stamping.

texan2004 · #**393** (**permalink**) 12-14-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 55 f350

i'll go out over the next couple of days as it's supposed to be warmer and spend some time cleaning off the " crap " on the firewall and cowl and get those if they are there . this might be kinda a silly question , ive only read part of this thread , whats this all about ???? is this like the early pinto's and the dain thing is gonna blow up on me ? LOL

newsflash !! i went out after typing this and found some markings on the firewall . appears to be 16 hpa . this mean anything ? you guy's have got me real curious about it all .

You might want to cruise through it and look for some photos that have been posted of both the frame rail numbers and the firewall/cowl stamping so you can see what wea re talking about. Hopefully, we will be able to provide you with your truck's birthday. It looks like it's coming up next month so be ready to buy something for it

55 f350 · #**394** (**permalink**) 12-14-2007, 07:00 PM

will do . its gonna be nice tommorrow they say so i might be crawlin ' around and when i get back home i'll try and find those photo's your talkin ' bout . gotta run!!!!!!!

55 f350 · #**395** (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 10:48 AM

i have wire brushed scraped etc. the firewall and parts of the cowl and no dice on any more markings as of yet .

r_reed · #**396** (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 08:51 PM

1. 1949
2. 98RG213116
3. raised panel bed
4. probably, not sure
5. 3 speed
6. floor shift
7. haven't found one yet

dick r

texan2004 · #**397** (**permalink**) 12-21-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by r_reed

1. 1949
2. 98RG213116
3. raised panel bed
4. probably, not sure
5. 3 speed
6. floor shift
7. haven't found one yet

dick r

Thanks for adding your truck to this list.

The Vin # should read 98RC

9 = 1949/50
8R = 239 c.i.d. flathead V8
C = F1 (1/2 ton)
213116 - Vin sequence Number. Pretty safe bet this one is a 1949.

Would be great if you can locate a series of numbers stamped into the firewall or the cowl inside the engine compartment. This will give the build date, original color, and the assembly plant.

55 f350 · #**398** (**permalink**) 01-16-2008, 09:23 PM

texan got one for you to see if you can tell me about it . a fella on another website i frequent just bought this to save it from the crusher . its cool and outside of glass all there . it appears to be a 51 but it is an f-8 dumptruck . serial / vin jna81ah51-11726, engine code 1eq-11726 , model f-8 trim 14 paint 99 . i would as well as he , know what you got about this . i tried the vin decoder it said invalid . i am trying to come up with the cash to buy it as he didnt really want it just saved it from ahorrible death . 55 f350 .ak.a kevin

mtflat · #**399** (**permalink**) 01-17-2008, 12:15 AM

That vin is Canadian - it is a '51 (just before the dash). that's why the vin checker drew a blank. Engine is 337 (1EQ)

I'll look it up tomorrow unless Carl beats me to it.

mtflat · #**400** (**permalink**) 01-17-2008, 11:38 AM

This website should help you sort it all out

http://www.mercurypickup.com/1948canadianvinplate.htm

As I read it: JN Canadian Ford F215/F8 159" wheel base/5 ton nominal rating, A standard trim, 81A cab and chassis, H built in Windsor, Ontario (Home Office), 51 1951, serial string

Engine: 1 1951, E(unsure), Q is 337 flathead with 5 spd transmission

gdgerland · #**401** (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 09:27 PM

texan2004, Just got back from looking at 3 '50 Ford trucks. I am bidding on two of them but the third one is not for sale. I got the vin # from the titles but didn't have a chance to get the firewall stamping or the glove box data. If I win the bid on them I will add that info. This is what I found:

1950 F-1
I-6
Vin 97HC 282706
3 speed manual floor shift
raised bed

1950 F-2 (parts truck)
I-6
Vin 97HD 307167
4 speed manual (I think) floor shift
Unsure about bed (allmost dark)

This one is fully restored, not for sale
1950 F-1
Flathead V-8
Vin 98RC 336999
3 speed manual, floor shift
Smooth bed

Hope you can use this info. and will add more if possible.

Gil

texan2004 · #**402** (**permalink**) 03-01-2008, 02:06 PM

Thanks for the VIN's. Good luck bidding and would love to get the firewall stampings.

gdgerland · #**403** (**permalink**) 03-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texan2004

Thanks for the VIN's. Good luck bidding and would love to get the firewall stampings.

Good news, bid just closed and looks like I get the cigar! Will get you the rest of the info when I go to pick them up.

Gil

texan2004 · #**404** (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 11:45 AM

Just Curious - where are they??

gdgerland · #**405** (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 07:10 PM

They are located in Kingsbury, Texas. -----Did you go to the big Early Fords gathering this week end. I heard about it but had a family reunion this week end and couldn't go. I guess the San Antonio, Waco, and Houston area folks all get togather at one time. Should have been some nice rides there.

Gil