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Old 09-26-2005, 08:50 PM
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Red face I guess converting my truck to a 4x4 will be on the list

I was doing some stuff on my famillies property today and I was dealing with the 1 wheel spin syndrome

The truck come shod with near new Toyo M-55 drive tires wow do they ever have more traction over the bandag retreads I used on previous trucks. I originally thought I had a traction aid in the diff untill I decided to check nope open diff.

Damn 2wd but I have no choice I need the carrying capacity of a 1.5 ton truck a regular F-350 dually can carry anything if you beef the suspension up so you can then it can't stop the brakes are too inadequate. A 99 or newer F-450 4x4 with PSD power is $$$$$

So I guess after I get a dump body installed on the truck I will have to start searching for a Dana 60 and a divorced 205 or spend the 1100 dollars and try a Detroit True Trac (limited slip). Have to see what it will be like when I get the dump body on it maybe the extra weight will increase my traction a little bit.

Any body got a line on a Marmon Herrington front axle that was used to convert these trucks to 4wheeldrive I would prolly give my left *** for one
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:46 AM
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you should look for a cab and chassis truck(obs). my dad has one. they are alot beefier than mine is. his is a 4x4 stick and has 4 or 5 overload springs in the rear. very stiff ride compared to mine but handles a load nicely. i just think it would be easier for you to sell yours and buy what you need.
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I won't be doing that I already spent a year looking for a F-350 4x4 cab and chassis so I went and bought another F-450. They are hard to find in B.C. especially if I want to buy a truck that is in decent shape and not thrashed and worn out. The other problem with F-350 is they are not quite heavy enough I can make it carry more but I can't make it stop more.

If I wasn't going to be hauling topsoil-sand and gravel I would have gone with a F-350 to have 4wheeldrive. If all I did was haul rubbish and did nothing but rubbish removal a F-350 can easily handle that as its not heavy material more bulky than anything. Hauling wet topsoil or sand and gravel far exceeds the capacity what a F-350 can really haul. If you want to haul 2 yards of any kind of sand and gravel your looking at 5000lbs.

A F-350 4x4 with a dump body is really only good for 4000lbs thats with a licensed gvw of 12,000lbs which is already 1000lbs over manufacturers gvw so grossing a F-350 that heavy on a regular basis isn't good for the truck.

Who knows if the landscape work has improved this year as much as people said it has maybe I can afford to buy a 99 or newer 450 4x4. I have to get back into the loop I have been out of the landscape biz for couple years because it was so dead (no pun intended ).

After doing some work on my famillies property and having some traction troubles with the truck kinda made me wonder why I bought a 2wd again.

I really don't want to make a big investment on a truck to test the waters to see if its viable to make part of my living off of it. I have 15 grand invested now buying a 99 or newer F-450 4x4 I would have 30 grand invested a little too much money. Who knows if the construction keeps going the way its going I maybe buying a class 8 dump truck.

The F-450 already has leaf spring front suspension so all I have to do is find a Dana 60 and transfer case which is easier said than done. If I could find a Marmon Herrington axle it would make converting the F-450 I have now to a 4x4 easy. It has the right gearing the big brakes and proper adaptor for the wheels.

I'am still looking for opinions on a Detroit True Trac it will be my cheapest option to add extra traction for a 2wd. I still have a lunch box locker in mind just don't know if it will survive a 15,000lb truck.
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Kenworth, I'll be surprised if the dump bed wouldn't be enough weight for good traction. Especially if you put some good tires on the rear. If you really get stuck, just raise the bed and put all the weight down on the rears.
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Lockers and dump beds do not go together well.
Been there did that, cost 800 dollars to fix.

When you have a big load on the truck and are pulling a hill, even on blacktop, the truck goes in a straight line no matter where you turn the steering wheel to.

Had to hit the clutch and turn the truck while coasting backwards, then pull up to where it ran out of road again, hit the clutch and re aim the truck. What a hassle.

After about a year of this it imploded, took every thing in the case with it. Wheel bearings, ring and pinion, carrier bearings, locker all gone in a flash.
Limited slip is the better of the two when you are hauling weight on the truck.
Locker is OK when you are towing weight.
When you have all that rubber under all that weight and the rubber has to spin or slide to turn a corner, something is going to break. And you can bet that what breaks will not be cheap to fix.

I would possibly consider an air locker if I were to do it again, but they are not cheap either.

I also understand that when the dump bed is empty that you are in a bad way for traction and raising the bed is not always an option due to power lines, tree limbs and the side of a hill and such.
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:46 PM
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I was looking at a F-350 4x4 with a 12x8 flatdeck last night its a 94 gasser but after seeing the suspension was straining with 4000lbs on it I think I will stick with a F-450. The truck has a beefed up suspension already from what a stock F-350 4x4 has as the truck belongs to a logging company.

I'am pretty sure I made the right move buying another F-450. It was more so when I looked at the axle ratings on the 350 the rear axle rated for 8250lbs where as the 450 is 11,000lbs the gvw of a F-350

Some of the loads on my previous F-450s have been over 8000lbs but after looking at the axle ratings kinda brought back reality check. The bearings and housing can only take so much weight I do beleive axle ratings to be true. The manufactures total gvw is a little under rated a F-350 dually cab and chassis in that year can easily support a 12,000lb rating.

For 90% of the loads you can never get enough weight forward so the rear axle is seeing alot of weight. The 10.25 never really would survive long with heavy loads you put 5000lbs on the truck plus another 1000lbs worth of truck body the axle is maxed out.

I will have to look into the Detroit True Trac it will be on my list of things to do for the truck. It might be something I may have to do not too long after getting the dump body built.

Like I said I did get a reality check after I looked at the F-350 yesterday the thought of selling the 450 I just bought for a 350 disapeared
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Just wondering I know this is old but what did you end up doing?
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I was dealing with the 1 wheel spin syndrome
one tire fire strikes again!
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i was really hoping someone had a sub $1000 solution to the one tire fire syndrome. sick of getting stuck going up my driveway with 1 inch of snow on it.
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i was really hoping someone had a sub $1000 solution to the one tire fire syndrome. sick of getting stuck going up my driveway with 1 inch of snow on it.
maybe spring for a detriot locker?
they are under $1K for our axles...on google shop I saw $500-$700
It's not 4x4 but it is 10X better than 1 tire fire
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Buy a new rear axle from one with posi and replace all the clutches.

I'm not sure what our axles cost though. 300-400?
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are they that easy to rebuild? axles and auto transmissions are the 2 things i'm afraid to crack into. i assume any used differential needs a complete rebuild. i'm debating between a posi unit or 4x conversion. my issues include my driveway in winter and i'm planning on buying a pontoon at the end of this summer and do not want to slip back into a lake.

any special tools for axle rebuild? if i can get a spare i can take my time rebuilding it. from what i've seen even pros spend almost a day on one. which adds to my anxiety.
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are they that easy to rebuild? axles and auto transmissions are the 2 things i'm afraid to crack into. i assume any used differential needs a complete rebuild. i'm debating between a posi unit or 4x conversion. my issues include my driveway in winter and i'm planning on buying a pontoon at the end of this summer and do not want to slip back into a lake.

any special tools for axle rebuild? if i can get a spare i can take my time rebuilding it. from what i've seen even pros spend almost a day on one. which adds to my anxiety.
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