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Old 08-13-2005, 01:04 PM
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The dispute, Amsoil tries to make you think that all their products are API certified, which they aren't!!

If you are into boutique oils, try Royal Purple....1) all their oil products are API certified, 2) Royal Purple IS NOT A MLM company, and 3) Royal Purple is a sponser of FTE!!!
In certain applications I'm after the best product available, not so much whether they are boutique or main stream. Where can I find RP test data for comparison against other leading competetors? i.e. NOACK/ATSM volatility, wear, acidity,

I'm very willing to look at RP, especially if they're a sponsor of the FTE, but I'd like to see some data that showing me why I should use their product (not just marketing hype).

p.s. Why is whether a company is all or in part a MLM a major player in your mind? BTW, you don't have to buy Amsoil from a dealer anymore.
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In certain applications I'm after the best product available, not so much whether they are boutique or main stream. Where can I find RP test data for comparison against other leading competetors? i.e. NOACK/ATSM volatility, wear, acidity,

I'm very willing to look at RP, especially if they're a sponsor of the FTE, but I'd like to see some data that showing me why I should use their product (not just marketing hype).

p.s. Why is whether a company is all or in part a MLM a major player in your mind? BTW, you don't have to buy Amsoil from a dealer anymore.
For some interesting information on MLM companies, check out these websites:

http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html

http://www.shop-money-time.com/main/id45.html

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"get rich schemes, and lies" from MLM companies! This is why I'm so against them!!!!

As far as data on Amsoil products, I suggest you find some that is totally independent, NOT PAID for by Amsoil!! API certification is just an example of
how deceitful they are!!!
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I've done a quick scan through the Amsoil site, hard to do because it has a lot of links.

They do say that this oil and that oil is recommended for engines requiring API x, y, z certification, but they don't come out and say that they are actually certified.

There are on the other hand a number of web sites, http://www.performancemotoroil.com/A...Licensing.html, for one, that go in to detail on why Amsoil doesn't apply for API licensing on all of their oils. Cost is claimed to be a key factor. I find this interesting because many of us look for API certification and won't buy an oil that doesn't have it. By spending the bucks to go through the API certification and licensing procedure they would expand their market considerably. $125,000 to $300,000 is pennies (or less) per unit sold and would be made up by the increased market I would think.

There are other web sites that mention that the real reason Amsoil does not submit all their oils for API certification is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates))

Now I don't know how much of all of the above is true, but it is clear to me when I go to the Amsoil site that they sure don't go out of their way to tout unambiguously that they are API certified and licensed.

Personally I'll stay with an oil like Shell Rotella T, Chevron Dello 400, Mobile 1, etc. that I can go and buy from the auto store and that has the API rating clearly stamped on the bottle.
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