Hey guys, first timer here, what car/truck would have a four barrel carb + intake for my 292 (1960??), and also, who sells a set of full length headers for it too??,
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As you can see in the post below, Y-block 4 barrels in trucks were rare, and sounds like a dealer add on. The intake ECZ 9425-B
is the intake you are looking for, unless you pony up some serious cash for a new aluminum Blue Thunder. The B manifolds came out in Ford cars in 1957. Rather than look for a car as donor, watch e-bay. They come up there fairly often, usually around $100-150.00.
Since none of the headers fit my 46, I havent kept track of the offerings, but know that Reds Headers makes them for Y's. Rams Horn manifolds are pretty slick for trucks if you can find a pair and afford them.
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Yep, so far as I know, Red's is it. The F-100 parts vendors like Sacramento Vintage who carry the full-length sets...carry Red's. Pretty much the same price, or more. Red is a good guy.

The ram's horns are eBay-ing for $350-$450 lately, even for scuzzy ones.

The older four barrel intakes have the older bolt pattern & won't accept a modern carb without an adapter & all that that means. You don't want the older carb, even for free. The two intakes 46Y mentioned are the only two with the modern "Holley" bolt pattern. There are a few on eBay right now. The Blue Thunder runs about $350.

I'm hoping, at some point in 2006, to put the 9425-B & the BT on the flow bench & do some testing in comparison, as well as port-to-port comps, & wet flow characteristics. It would be nice to see just what the $350 buys. At some point I would like to do some dyno comparisons on an "average" healthy, but streetable, 292+; but that will be awhile.

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As far as we know, there has never been an original intake manifold with a fitting 4 bbl carb. thereupon for the 292 Y-block V8. We know of some carb. spacers for mounting 4 bbl carb to original intake manifolds, but we are not sure if they are availible for the 292 c.i. Y-block with original intake manifold. Greetings, Spiker, http://www.fordfront.nl

 

Thanks guys, i thought dad told me there were t birds and cars that came with a four barrel intake and carb, guess he's thinking of something else. i'll have to check out ebay then.


Reichinator

 

Your dad is right. Like I said, the ECZ-9425-B 4 barrel intake came on 1957 Ford and Mercury cars. Not sure but I think it was also available on Mercurys up to 1960. They will fit any 272, 292 or 312, car or truck. Intake runners on the B manifold would be larger than the intake ports on your head I believe. It still should give an improvement in performance. If performance is the desire, you might be better off starting with some oversize valves from www.ford-y-block.com . 1.84 inch intakes to replace your 1.65s which were the smallest intake valve made for a Y.
I am in the process of messing around with the Autolite 2V carbs. Currently have one on which was a stock 1964 truck unit, with the 1.02 Venturi. It works great, but really liimits high end performance. I have an aggressive bid into e-bay on an Autolite 2V from a 1967 Mustang. Not sure yet but think the venturi size is 1.12. Should give a lot more top end.
I'm just throwing you some alternatives.

 

Reich,

I think we might have confused you a little bit, without meaning to. Here's a link to one of our regulars' web site, which should answer your question.

http://m571.com/yblock/intake.htm

46's post summed up the common choices nicely.

Spiker, I might be misreading your post-if so, I apologize. There were indeed 4bbl intakes for the earlier/smaller Ys, at least in the States. There is a picture of one in the above link. I am not aware of any 239s with a factory-equipped 4bbl, but as far as I know everything else was offered with one at least at one point. 1958-64 Ys were all two barrel, with some possible exceptions- as 46 noted, perhaps dealer installed. (?)

 

Just to add a little to what Homespun has said: I have heard the Tea-pot 4 barrels (pre-1957) referred to as Towering Infernals, due to their propensity to flame up.
Homespun, the flow bench data would be very interesting.
Mike

 

OOps. The previous post should have read "Towering Infernos".

 

Sanderson also lists a set of headers for Y Blocks in trucks, according to the last catalog I've seen.

 

Infernos, Infernals, either way it fits.

Looking at the Blue Thunder intake, I suspect it will outflow the 9425-B "out of the box"; whether or not that in itself will add hp is another question. The plenum entry is obviously different & it wouldn't particularly surprise me to find that the Ford intake has 10-15 ft.-lb. more torque up to about 3500-4000 rpm. The short turn radius out of the plenum is smoother, though, & higher, and mixture distribution will probably be more even. Looks like fuel shear probably won't be an issue. The runners have a nice angle of taper.

I suspect that even a moderately healthy 292 doesn't really need the BT- I think it is probably more suited for 300+ CI, or engines needing to turn 5500-6000 or more. It would work on lesser engines, though, and probably idle more smoothly than the Ford intake- just a guess. It is more attractive as well. So far as that goes, anything to lighten a Y-block can't hurt.

Blue Thunder has a great reputation, which is well deserved in my view. I'm looking forward to playing around with testing it.

 

Take a Ford -B intake, bead blast it, give it a good coat of aluminum paint from Eastwoods, etc and you just saved about $300. I see absolutely no reason to use a BT on anything that is not going to be regularly exceeding 5000 rpm. Then you also need something better than stock ECZ-G heads to make it play to the max.

If you want LOOKS, then go with a 573 Edelbrock. With 3 94's on top I get all the performance I can handle with a .060 over 292 and Mummert cam. ECZ-C heads shaved .050 and chambers matched to within .5cc.

 

286 I am sure you are right. I bought my BT solely for the weight loss, and anything else was gravy.
You said you cut off .050 from your heads? I havent heard of anyone taking them down that much. Did the intake have to be milled and pushrods shortened? What is the combustion chamber volume?

 

Huh? .050" is barely touching the head, strictly a cleanup cut; no intake trimming necessary. I dont remember the finished cc details; it was over 3 years ago. However there was almost a 5cc total variance originally.