V10 vs Powerstroke
#31
06-25-2005, 08:59 PM
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the new 05/6 3 valve v10 is awsome and is a must drive before it's knocked.
today i towed a 30 foot enclosed box trailer with my 05 and never knew it was back behind me with the top fuel digger inside it along with a spare bullit.
ford has done a lot of home work and enginering on the 6.8 only to come out with a winner.
as to buying. both need to be driven.
today i towed a 30 foot enclosed box trailer with my 05 and never knew it was back behind me with the top fuel digger inside it along with a spare bullit.
ford has done a lot of home work and enginering on the 6.8 only to come out with a winner.
as to buying. both need to be driven.
#32
06-25-2005, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by dawson735
Accually ACE changed my mind. I think I'm going to choose the V10 based on what he said and the fact my som has that 2001 PSD. A good chance to test both. And as he said cost is not a factor here. I can use 87 octane and dont have to smell diesel farts. Thanks ACE and all you other gear heads. I guess it really does come down to a matter of what you do and dont want.
Just kidding of course.
#34
06-26-2005, 02:13 AM
love everything on my 05 v-10 4x4 4:10 crewcab except the mpg's i get towing. i tow a 11,000 pound 5th wheel and i get a whopping 8mpg!!!!!! WOW, at this rate i need to buy a gas station. my father law has a 05 PSD 3.73 4x4 crewcab and he tows an 11000 pound fifth wheel too, he averages about 14mpg!!! so i will say this i love my V10, however it sure would be nice to be able not to have to stop for gas on a 300 mile trip with my fifth wheel.
#35
06-26-2005, 03:51 AM
It all boils down to your preference. You have to drive both to have an understanding of both engines. Then make your call.
#37
06-26-2005, 08:53 AM
skipperw - Right, in my dreams. Just a little negative logic. The only way to get 30+ mpg out of a serious work truck is to park it, and instead use your "daily driver", which is typically some small, light, high-mileage car. My personal truck use is to pull a 12K boat and trailer when I retire in two years, and its difficult to see how with the rising cost of fuel such a tow vehicle could also double as a family car.
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06-26-2005, 02:18 PM
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one note I havent seen posted yet
is no matter what you chose or have choose it will come with the
Torque shift tranny
this tranny makes a huge improvement in the towing\hauling weight
performance
My 01 SD blew its tranny at 40 something K miles and struggled
my trucks work hard every day and the new 05 with the TS tranny
dosnt even strain to move its 8K trailer and 2K in the bed
enjoy ur new rig
is no matter what you chose or have choose it will come with the
Torque shift tranny
this tranny makes a huge improvement in the towing\hauling weight
performance
My 01 SD blew its tranny at 40 something K miles and struggled
my trucks work hard every day and the new 05 with the TS tranny
dosnt even strain to move its 8K trailer and 2K in the bed
enjoy ur new rig
#39
06-26-2005, 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by sinister73
V10 or diesel comes down to what you want, just the same as V10 vs 5.4L does. Just the same as Super Duty vs F150 does. Just like crew cab or super cab, 4x4 or 2wd.
The 6.0 PSD is an upgrade over the gas engine, and like any other upgrade item/package, there is a charge for it.
It all comes down to whether or not you want to pay for the upgrade. I would take an XLT package with carpet delete for free, but I would not pay for it. I can get what I need by merely adding AC and cruise to an XL. It pains me not, to manually roll my windows down, especially with the Super Duty - Ford gave the manual windows a nice crank ratio.
Everyone gives the reason for their choice in the form of an excuse. No excuse is needed however, you simply buy what you want. Many diesel owners will cite better resale, longevity, fuel mileage, etc, in an attempt to excuse their decision to buy the upgrade. They will say they will never go back to gas again, which seems to be a way to convince themselves of money well spent. They don't want to be seen or labeled as suckers who paid for more for something than it is really worth.
Many V10 guys will cite less maintenance, cheaper fuel, less up front cost, low mileage, and a whole host of other reasons, in an attempt to excuse their decision not to opt for the diesel upgrade. They don't want to be seen or labled as cheapskates who didint have sense enough to ante up the little extra dough for the option. They don't want to be made to feel that their trucks are inferior just because they run on gasoline.
In truth this question can never be answered to everyones satisfaction. Both sides have pro's and cons - all of which have been hashed over so many times already.
The V10 is a very powerful motor, and IMO it would actually be plenty of motor for any job. Most likely it'll take anything any of the diesel guys could throw at it and kick back change. At the same time there are some jobs where the diesel motor is going to perform better, it offers more power and easier upgradability, and for some kinds of work it just makes more sense. This comes at added cost.
The 6.0 PSD is an upgrade over the gas engine, and like any other upgrade item/package, there is a charge for it.
It all comes down to whether or not you want to pay for the upgrade. I would take an XLT package with carpet delete for free, but I would not pay for it. I can get what I need by merely adding AC and cruise to an XL. It pains me not, to manually roll my windows down, especially with the Super Duty - Ford gave the manual windows a nice crank ratio.
Everyone gives the reason for their choice in the form of an excuse. No excuse is needed however, you simply buy what you want. Many diesel owners will cite better resale, longevity, fuel mileage, etc, in an attempt to excuse their decision to buy the upgrade. They will say they will never go back to gas again, which seems to be a way to convince themselves of money well spent. They don't want to be seen or labeled as suckers who paid for more for something than it is really worth.
Many V10 guys will cite less maintenance, cheaper fuel, less up front cost, low mileage, and a whole host of other reasons, in an attempt to excuse their decision not to opt for the diesel upgrade. They don't want to be seen or labled as cheapskates who didint have sense enough to ante up the little extra dough for the option. They don't want to be made to feel that their trucks are inferior just because they run on gasoline.
In truth this question can never be answered to everyones satisfaction. Both sides have pro's and cons - all of which have been hashed over so many times already.
The V10 is a very powerful motor, and IMO it would actually be plenty of motor for any job. Most likely it'll take anything any of the diesel guys could throw at it and kick back change. At the same time there are some jobs where the diesel motor is going to perform better, it offers more power and easier upgradability, and for some kinds of work it just makes more sense. This comes at added cost.
Good post Sinister73. This varifies what I have always believed, that real Super Duties are diesel. And that those inferior, underpowered, gassers are for whimps who can't afford, or are just too cheap or stupid to spring for the diesels. Those guys make me sick, they may as well drive a Ranger. I mean, Why even make a SD with a gas engine? Right?
No seriously, excellent post. You have gotten to the heart of the matter of gas vs diesel. The bottom line is get what you dig. I wanted the diesel so that's what I bought. I can always use the prevailing logic, after the fact, to justify this choice. The truth is I would have gotten the diesel no matter what justifying logic was available. However the diesel is not for everyone, just as not everyone now needs a crew cab. People should compare drive the gas and the diesel, decide what they can affort, then buy what they like.
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06-26-2005, 09:45 PM
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Having owned both the V10 and the 7.3L Diesel. The V10 had the 4.30 rear axle and the 7.3L diesel has 3.73 rear axle and for a comparison of the two it is this:
I can run 65mph in OD with the 7.3L and with the V10 it kept shifting down so to maintain that speed I had to run in third gear at 3400 rpm sure was hard on gas though. This was a 2001 V10 and not the higher powered one now. So it might do better than my 2001. Probably wouldn't go back after having the 7.3L diesel I think I am in love.
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I can run 65mph in OD with the 7.3L and with the V10 it kept shifting down so to maintain that speed I had to run in third gear at 3400 rpm sure was hard on gas though. This was a 2001 V10 and not the higher powered one now. So it might do better than my 2001. Probably wouldn't go back after having the 7.3L diesel I think I am in love.
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06-26-2005, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fknipfer1
I can run 65mph in OD with the 7.3L and with the V10 it kept shifting down so to maintain that speed I had to run in third gear at 3400 rpm sure was hard on gas though.
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Just thought it was funny but that's one of the things I looked for when I test drove new trucks a few years ago.
The last few 1/2 ton V8s I owned could not hold OD on alot of the longer highway hills in my area.
Also, in third gear my truck seems to be at 2800/2900rpm if I remember right. I could be wrong but 3400rpm sounds high. Then again the one you drove had 4.30 axle and the 3.73 runs at lower rpm and will give better highway performance in some situations.
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06-27-2005, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by towandcamp
love everything on my 05 v-10 4x4 4:10 crewcab except the mpg's i get towing. i tow a 11,000 pound 5th wheel and i get a whopping 8mpg!!!!!! WOW, at this rate i need to buy a gas station. my father law has a 05 PSD 3.73 4x4 crewcab and he tows an 11000 pound fifth wheel too, he averages about 14mpg!!! so i will say this i love my V10, however it sure would be nice to be able not to have to stop for gas on a 300 mile trip with my fifth wheel.
I think that the '05 and '06 V10 has received some changes that greatly increase the quality and usability of this engine. I don't think I'd ever consider a 2001 or 2002 model with a V10 engine...but I would consider one if buying an '05 or '06 model.
#44
06-27-2005, 09:21 AM
Just for the sake of being redundant...They are both great engines. I have friends at both ends of the spectrum that are very pleased. Which ever one you choose though, you will fine yourself both defending your decision and thumping the "dark side". 'Cause that's what we do. Besides that, sometimes it is pretty much fun. 
Doesn't matter what anybody picks, they will become very passionate about it.
Doesn't matter what anybody picks, they will become very passionate about it.
