Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 06-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Max1775's Avatar
Max1775 Max1775 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Helotes, Texas
Posts: 824
Max1775 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Propane Injection

Finally got to take a road trip after installing my propane injection! I made a trip From San Antonio, Texas to Ruidoso, NM and wanted to post my findings. Got 14.75 mpg on the way there without propane, and 18.25 mpg on the way back with propane. Both ways were @ 75 mph with the cruise control set. Also used 6 gallons of propane on the way back, so total fuel mileage was actually 15.75 mpg. So I not a huge increase in overall mileage, but a MONSTEROUS increase in power! The truck never slowed or downshifted even on the big hills, and EGT's ran about the same. I'm still in the tweaking phase, so hopefully it will get even better, and I should be able to get to the Dyno soon. I will post more findings in the future, but so far this has been the largest power gain I've done, hands down...
__________________
97 F250 PSD, 3.55 ls, 4" exhaust, K&N FIPK, Autometer gauges, DP Tuner PCM, Propane Injection, STS Tranny, KB audio, and more...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-01-2005, 05:06 PM
touchofgrey touchofgrey is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 798
touchofgrey is starting off with a positive reputation.
Well Max, you need to put that right foot on a diet. Bring her down around 65-68 and you should see a better result. Your mileage at 75 is pretty good. Were you towing,or just out cruising?
__________________
2000 F350 CC 4x4 LB Dually
SCMT, Wicked Wheel, Mods, H2o Inj.,IC Mist, Gauges, 91 gal. Aux.Tnk, Air & Bags,Tugger Kit, Trans. Cooler, Hi Cap.Trans. Pan, and Dif. Cover, list: Prop., HD TC.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-01-2005, 05:08 PM
RedStroker6's Avatar
RedStroker6 RedStroker6 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: China Grove, TX
Posts: 1,358
RedStroker6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
hehe, 18 mpg is still DARN good at 75. Max, what propane kit is that you have? don't recognize the JH name...
__________________
Adam
95 f250 PSD ZF5. Twin 5" stacks, 5.6K, 6637, Kenwood Deck, 2 Kicker CVR 10's, Audiobahn amp, AutoMeter Pyro. ugly truck but my gal loves it
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-01-2005, 05:17 PM
Max1775's Avatar
Max1775 Max1775 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Helotes, Texas
Posts: 824
Max1775 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Hard to run 65 when the speed limit is 75, but I'll try, lol... I wasn't pulling anything, but had a load on the truck (about 8300# total) This system was designed by a friend of mine (Jack Harrison and Associates). He has been in the propane industry for over 25 years and he came up with his own setup. We are still trying to refine it and add some safeguards, but it it has been installed on 30+ trucks without a problem. I want to add a boost relay to keep it from injecting under about 5 psi, which shopuld let it use less propane when not under a load. Would like to be able to market a simple, reliable, yet cost efficient alternative to some of the big name brands.

Max
__________________
97 F250 PSD, 3.55 ls, 4" exhaust, K&N FIPK, Autometer gauges, DP Tuner PCM, Propane Injection, STS Tranny, KB audio, and more...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-01-2005, 05:19 PM
RedStroker6's Avatar
RedStroker6 RedStroker6 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: China Grove, TX
Posts: 1,358
RedStroker6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
well, if Mr. Jack Harrison would like another test truck, my truck just raised its Tire to volunteer. just curious, about how much did it run ya?
__________________
Adam
95 f250 PSD ZF5. Twin 5" stacks, 5.6K, 6637, Kenwood Deck, 2 Kicker CVR 10's, Audiobahn amp, AutoMeter Pyro. ugly truck but my gal loves it
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Max1775's Avatar
Max1775 Max1775 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Helotes, Texas
Posts: 824
Max1775 is starting off with a positive reputation.
So far, not a thing. I do trade out with him on some other stuff. I'm getting him to put a price together on it though. The tank is the most expensive part. Drop me a line some time, we're practically neighbors. txmax1(@)msn.com or sts_performance(@)msn.com
__________________
97 F250 PSD, 3.55 ls, 4" exhaust, K&N FIPK, Autometer gauges, DP Tuner PCM, Propane Injection, STS Tranny, KB audio, and more...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-01-2005, 06:03 PM
RedStroker6's Avatar
RedStroker6 RedStroker6 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: China Grove, TX
Posts: 1,358
RedStroker6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
awesome, thanks a bunch. i just noticed from your gallery that the propane was on a '99....i thought it was on your '97. i'm guessing the setup will work just as good on a 'OBS though. no real difference, just the fine tuning i suppose.
__________________
Adam
95 f250 PSD ZF5. Twin 5" stacks, 5.6K, 6637, Kenwood Deck, 2 Kicker CVR 10's, Audiobahn amp, AutoMeter Pyro. ugly truck but my gal loves it
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-01-2005, 09:35 PM
444dieselrod's Avatar
444dieselrod 444dieselrod is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Barnesville MN
Posts: 2,180
444dieselrod is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Max, didn't you have a PS2K kit??? or am I thinking of some one else???

just get yourself a pressure switch, one off of a water tank will work if you dont care what it looks like, set it to make contact ot 5 psi, no more 'pane below 5 psi.

again, if ya want another "volunteer" I will test one out, dont know many people that can run there truck as hard as me, (maybe its cuz the bank owns em)
I will put it to the riggors.

on edit, is it a variable feed, or on/off. and is it all vapor, or liquid to the engine bay, vapor after that??? or are you not allowed to coment on it yet for testing reasons???

Diesel Rod
__________________
'96 F250, Reg Cab 7.3 PSD, Auto, 4x4, XLT.
'97 F250, Ext Cab 7.3 PSD, Auto, 4x4, XLT. <-----Parting Out, Full GREY interior still available. Send PM if Interested
'96 F250, Crew Cab 7.3 PSD, 5-SPD, 4x4, XLT.
'99 Jetta TDI, 5-SPD.

Last edited by 444dieselrod; 06-01-2005 at 09:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-01-2005, 11:10 PM
oldbird1965's Avatar
oldbird1965 oldbird1965 is online now
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 12,534
oldbird1965 is a name known to alloldbird1965 is a name known to alloldbird1965 is a name known to alloldbird1965 is a name known to alloldbird1965 is a name known to alloldbird1965 is a name known to all
With pane and the increase in HP, would adding water/meth to the mix help EGT's? Or, would that be a no-no having pane & water/meth together?
__________________
Glenn
The Mule-96 2WD F250 EC/LB auto, Lots of Mods!! Semi retired, still runs great after years of pulling!!
The Mare 97 dually cc, s366 turbo, stage II's, IC, studs, springs, rods, JW auto, 4:10 LS, efuel, FS2500 bypass oil filter, HVHF IDM, IH WP, 6.0 trans cooler & rad fan, MBRP 4", SD tensioner, AFE, 220 amp alt, 38G tank, soundproofed, 3 different TS chips
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-01-2005, 11:17 PM
RedStroker6's Avatar
RedStroker6 RedStroker6 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: China Grove, TX
Posts: 1,358
RedStroker6 is starting off with a positive reputation.
i've heard that the pane SOMETIMES runs cooler
__________________
Adam
95 f250 PSD ZF5. Twin 5" stacks, 5.6K, 6637, Kenwood Deck, 2 Kicker CVR 10's, Audiobahn amp, AutoMeter Pyro. ugly truck but my gal loves it
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-02-2005, 12:08 AM
Powerstroke2000 Powerstroke2000 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Vancouver area
Posts: 103
Powerstroke2000 is starting off with a positive reputation.
I've had a Powershot2000 Propane injection kit on my truck for quite some time now, but haven't used it in about a year, since installing larger injectors on my '95 PSD.

With TYMAR intake and Superchips single chip, my dyno run was 206 RWHP...with the propane OFF, and I then ran with the propane ON, and it gave me a result of 289 RWHP!
There definitely is quite a boost in power with the propane injection systems, and with the PS2000 system, its just a matter of flipping the switch and its instantly there.
Of course it runs on "boost" the way I had it set, so for regular street use, I would have it come on a 5 PSI of boost, and when towing, I had it set to come on at 10 PSI of boost, which usually meant that it would kick in as I was about to climb a hill...while towing.

Worked real slick! I suppose I should pull it off one of these days, as I have more than enough fuel now with my injectors.

I should mention...for anyone wishing to go this route, that it is important for you to have a pyrometer, to keep an eye on the EGT's....especially when towing! There again...most of you know this anyway.

Dale
__________________
2009 F450 King Ranch
4.30 ratio, 4X4
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-02-2005, 02:18 AM
touchofgrey touchofgrey is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 798
touchofgrey is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbird1965
With pane and the increase in HP, would adding water/meth to the mix help EGT's? Or, would that be a no-no having pane & water/meth together?
I've had some conversations with Quadzilla, and Cookie about various ideas concerning propane. Quad runs pane only, and Cookie runs pane and water injection. They told me that the pane needs to have an advanced timing curve to work really well. And that pane and water injection would work fine, but not with Methenol, because it too needs advanced timing.
So, I'm leaning towards a pane setup with water injection, and a modified custom chip. That's the ticket.
__________________
2000 F350 CC 4x4 LB Dually
SCMT, Wicked Wheel, Mods, H2o Inj.,IC Mist, Gauges, 91 gal. Aux.Tnk, Air & Bags,Tugger Kit, Trans. Cooler, Hi Cap.Trans. Pan, and Dif. Cover, list: Prop., HD TC.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-02-2005, 05:02 AM
Quadzilla's Avatar
Quadzilla Quadzilla is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Covington, WA
Posts: 2,762
Quadzilla is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Quadzilla is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
I've had some conversations with Quadzilla, and Cookie about various ideas concerning propane.....They told me that the pane needs to have an advanced timing curve to work really well.
Actually, that's backwards. Programming, whether through a chip or tuner, would need to have less fuel timing advance when using propane, since the propane acts as an advancing agent. It actually starts to "pre-burn" in the cylinder before the diesel in injected.

Max1775- You didn't say how big your propane tank is, nor how many miles you actually drove to empty it, but I'd venture a guess that you've got a lot of propane flowing. I have a tank that holds 8 gallons of liquid propane, and it typically lasts me 2000-2500 miles in everyday driving.
__________________
Life is too short to drive an ugly truck.
Steve Baslow

'13 F-250 Platinum CC SB 4X4 Powerstroke.
'13 Timber Ridge 280RKS
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-02-2005, 09:42 AM
1BADF350_4XCREW7.3's Avatar
1BADF350_4XCREW7.3 1BADF350_4XCREW7.3 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 308
1BADF350_4XCREW7.3 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Powerstroke2000 - are the dyno numbers with the larger injectors? I wasn't clear on whether the numbers shown were for stock injectors or not. I guess I was expecting to see a bit higher HP figures on pane above all else you've done.

Let me know if you decide to part with the PS2000....
__________________
'01 CC F-350 Lariat PSD SB AT 4X4, 35"BFG's, 6in lift, BedLocker, ART brakes, Rhino Liner, Banks Stinger+, Autometer Lunars, Optima's, K&N, Bilstein 5100, 18+MPG @65MPH.... sweet!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Max1775's Avatar
Max1775 Max1775 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Helotes, Texas
Posts: 824
Max1775 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStroker6
awesome, thanks a bunch. i just noticed from your gallery that the propane was on a '99....i thought it was on your '97. i'm guessing the setup will work just as good on a 'OBS though. no real difference, just the fine tuning i suppose.
We have propane on both now. We did the 99' a long time ago, it actually belongs to a friend of mine who is nice enough to let me test stuff on his too (hadn't blown anything up yet...). Gonna get custom burned chips for both, should really help. Gonna have to start looking for a tranny also...
__________________
97 F250 PSD, 3.55 ls, 4" exhaust, K&N FIPK, Autometer gauges, DP Tuner PCM, Propane Injection, STS Tranny, KB audio, and more...
Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2005, 10:09 AM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels

Tags
advancing, antonio, conversion, custom, dp, elsberry, glen, harrison, injection, jack, motors, propane, racing, san, truck, tuner

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup