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Old 02-28-2005, 04:55 PM
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Biodiesel in newer PSDs?

I've had a few friends tell me about their use of Biodiesel in their older (pre - 1995) diesel engines. I have a 2005 F250 6.0 PSD with no mods (yet). My specific questions are:
  1. Has anyone used it in the newer engines, specifically the 6.0L PSDs?
  2. If so how did it run, have you experienced engine problems?
  3. What mix, Less than B20, B20 or B100?
  4. Anyone know if this would void my warranty?
Thanks and I apologize if this has come up before but I couldn't find any posts on Bio with the newer engines. The Ford dealerships in my area just scratch their heads at the word biodiesel so they are no help!

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I did check that forum out first but didn't find anything specific to the new engines, which is why I posted here. Is it possible to copy it to that forum as opposed to moving it or should I re=post it there too?
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The manual says no more than B5, I've been running B2 in mine since that is all I can find around here but I would say about almost but not quite 1 mpg increase. I've been running this for about 3 or 4 tankfulls and I've only got 3000 miles on the motor so that mileage increase could be a number of different things. I think that it runs out alittle smoother going down the road.

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I have ran 1 full tankful of B-20 in my 6.0, and overall would say im impressed. Much less injector noise when cold (below 32) runs about the same. Supposedly there is a 2% loss in MPG's, but I didnt see it. It actually cost the same as #2 at the place I filled up, so it didnt hurt the wallett either. It did change the exhaust odor to a almost frialator (sp.) smell, But in no way affected the driveability. Dont run B-100, as the injectors will polymerize the fuel into plastic and clog the injector tips. I would run B20 normally, but the station I got it at is 2 states away. HTH, Dshiftff
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Here is Ford's official position on biodiesel...

It is a cut & paste from the following website: http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/60bulletin.htm

Ford's Position on Biodiesel:
Ford is advising that any of their vehicles powered by a diesel engine, regardless of manufacturer, may exhibit engine or fuel system problems when using fuels with greater than 5% Biodiesel. Any problems when using fuels containing more than 5% Biodiesel should be referred to the fuel manufacturer. Ford only recomends using fuels containing no more than 5% Biodiesel (B5) in their diesel powered vehicles. In addition, as per World Wide Fuel Charter (WWFC) catagory 1-3, fatty acid methyl esters (FAME) must meet EN14214 and ASTM D 6751 specifications. Broadcast Message 0884, 3626

Best to just use good old fashion diesel #2.

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According to Ford's guidelines, shouldn't you be able to safely use B20 for 10 out of every 40 gallons you put into the tank?
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According to Ford's guidelines, shouldn't you be able to safely use B20 for 10 out of every 40 gallons you put into the tank?
Sure - if you have a 40 gallon tank that is empty, and put 30 gallons of straight diesel in it and then 10 gallons of B20, you will be within their guidelines. Don't make a mistake though, like putting in 10 gallons of B20 into a 3/4 empty tank and then topping off with diesel. If something bad happens, and they suspect fuel, they *will* have it tested and be able to tell the percentage you were running.

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What is the difference of 30/10 or 10/30?
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What is the difference of 30/10 or 10/30?
Sorry, I guess I wrote that confusingly...

If you have an EMPTY 40 gallon tank, 30 gallons of diesel plus 10 gallons of biodiesel = B5 net mixture. So you're fine.

If you have a 3/4 empty tank of your previous B5 mixture, then add 10 more gallons of B20, then top off with 20 more gallons of diesel, then you are well over B5, and Ford will find that out in testing if something comes up.

What I was trying to say (not very well) is that you can't just think "I'll put 10 gallons of B20 in every fillup, and that will be B5."

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In san diego i was buying all grades from as low as B5 to pure B100.:

1) runs smoother and less eye burning from tail pipe,not that i make a habit of cramming my face up the exhaust
2) runs a little more quiet
3) pricey for the B100 as in a dollar more per gallon. Was able to buy B20 for same price as diesel at 2 stations in ALL of san diego so not readily available but getting better.
4) did NOT notice any ill effects regarding start up or idle.
5) would say power and MPG about the same. Some people will try to tell you BD makes more power but really it makes a wee bit less but has higher lubricity or less friction so IMO those two aspects are a draw.

B100 runs great but yes Ford has a conservative stance hence their B5 rating. I do admit that if you got a bad batch of fuel its gonna cost alot of $$ but wouldn't it be the same if you got bad pertoleum diesel? Ford is not gonna warranty bad diesel no matter the source so i don't think there is and extra danger of running quality BD unless you go in for other warranty issues and Ford test the fuel and denies you on something else because they can. This is where a good relatioship with a dealer is critical but we all know that by now.

The greatest aspect of BD is the smug grin i get knowing that some sheik bin al towel head is not filling up a swiss bank account on that fill up. Sorry if thats not PC but i call like it is. Feel free to mod me Tim if you got to.
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I can't find anyone within 75 miles of me that sells Biodiesel at the pumps. What burns me up though is that there is a large scale Biodiesle supplier 20 miles from me that won't sell to me, only to other stations
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go to biodiesel.org and do the search for pumps in your state.
Most common to find at marine fuel docks and they have long hoses to reach.

What region of cali are you in?
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