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[Louisville Joe]

For the record, I like Lima's, and if I read a bunch of nonsense about them on a Chevy site I would jump all over the author as well. So, don't feel too bad!

[four-sixty-power]

Originally Posted by landon460

Someone else may have already mentioned this but I am not about to read the 300 replies. This is FTE as in Ford "TRUCK" Enthusiasts so in the case of TRUCK motors, the 460 wins hands down.

If you are an enthusiast then you would have read the replies to become a better informed person.

This is in the Ford vs The Competition thread. Top of the section it says: " Technical discussion and comparison ONLY. Trolls will not be tolerated."

Originally Posted by landon460

This is an unbiased opinion, don't let the name fool you.

After reading your posts here I have to conclude that you have a bias towards Ford which, in itself, is not bad or good.

[BigDaddy6969]

[quote=wild.bunch;8110979]This statement doesn't illustrate much familiarity with the similarities and differences between the 460 and the 429, nor with the difference between the CJ/SCJ engines and the rest of the Lima family.

This part of your statement is true: [quote]

OWNED!!! The bad part is that I warned him and he still didn't listen, good work w.b

[ghunt]

I've been a fan of the 460 for awhile, always wanted to build one. I know Hot Rod did a build on one a few years ago, using a stock rotating assembly and stock heads (ported I assume) and made 550 hp with very little effort.

Doesn't the 440 have siamesed ports? That would be a big disadvantage IMO.

[wild.bunch]

ghunt:

Doesn't the 440 have siamesed ports?

No, not at all. The head of B/RB motors (383/440) looks very much like an enlarged SBC -- including intake ports, exhaust ports, and combustion chambers. The b/RB head shares most of the plusses and minuses of the SBC head, except that instead of using ball/stud mounted stamped rocker arms oiling thru the pushrod, B/RB heads mount stamped rockers on a shaft, which also is used to oil them.

Regarding porting, the flow capacity of B/RB heads is roughly comparable to those of the FE Ford, tho I don't think that the combustion chamber works quite as well. Consider that before the introduction of the Hemi, FEs and RBs pretty much ran even on NASCAR tracks.

IIRC, the best B/RB heads came out in 1967 and were based on some special 1962 Chrysler 300 letter series heads made for 413s. The intake port shape of the '67 and later heads benefitted from some factory reshaping and is more or less matched with the great Ford 427 Medium Riser heads.

In this comparison between 460, 454, and 440, my own answer would sound somewhat smart-alecky, but it is my true feeling: None of the above: I am an FE lover. These engines can make the power for racing as well as having the toughness to make excellent commercial truck motors.

My evidence: Who beat Ferrari at Le Mans? The 427 FE still has an unmatched record, IMO.

I built a 440 and I think they are fine motors -- one wouldn't go wrong with a good one. I do feel that the FE is a better motor, but the margin of difference isn't tremendous. The FE has an advantage in combustion chamber efficiency, especially from 68 and after, when Chrysler took the quench out of their b/RB heads. The 460 is also a typical example of how Ford has consistently stressed efficient combustion chamber design since the Y Block.


BigDaddy6969: Thank you, sir! ;-)


Finally, on another note, I find it amusing to see some folks get on here and "wave the flag" - the blue oval flag -- without even knowing what they're talking about.

For instance, here is part of a post from the old board I made in 1998 in response to a guy who espoused swapping SBCs into Ford Trucks, blasted those who faulted him as whiners, and then said it didn't matter whether the motor used was Ford or something else:

I believe Ford is best, so I participate in Ford related websites to talk Fords with others who like them, too. There's no shortage of "brand x" related places for those who like them. There are even places for general discussions. The reason we are here is because it DOES matter whether it's "chevy, ford, chrysler". As long as I'm on a Ford site, I'm not going to apologize to anyone for liking Fords best.

So harping about one's Ford "patriotism" falls a little flat with me, especially when a lack of respect for others is coupled with leaving the mental gearshift in neutral, while pushing the mouth pedal to the floor.

[landon460]

Originally Posted by wild.bunch

This statement doesn't illustrate much familiarity with the similarities and differences between the 460 and the 429, nor with the difference between the CJ/SCJ engines and the rest of the Lima family.

This part of your statement is true:

But your conclusion

doesn't follow. There were hipo and lopo versions of the 454 and 440, as well, and the ability to make power with a lopo truck motor from factory parts and expertise existed at Ford, just as much as it did with GM and Mopar -- your conclusion simply doesn't stand up to facts.

However, you said: so I'm not really sure why, after stating this, you changed your ways and read my post anyway -- did it have something to do with something that you saw at your shop?

You say: and it's clear that this is simply more malarkey from you. What about:









This is a very odd way not to tell someone that they're wrong -- is this someone else's invention, or is it your own?



It seems as if you are so busy responding that you can't hear others. If you'll be quiet, you might just learn something. But as you take such pride in what you don't read and how you don't listen, there's not much chance of that happening. One thing I have learned in life, is that by definition, there is no teaching a person who knows it all already. Knowing it all is a burden that's too heavy for me to bear, but some seem to have signed up for such duty.



Well, that's just the point here, and since you are not listening, you can't get it, can you? Nobody's telling you that what you've seen is all wet, just that our experiences are different. Evidently, you think that your opinion is the only one that matters and that you are the only one who knows facts -- and that anyone who says something that contradicts the conclusion you've drawn from what you've seen cannot have any experience, and is simply talking from "book knowledge."

Sometime in life, I'd suggest you cross the street -- you may find out that all the addresses are even numbered on that side.

finally, again related to the posts you didn't read:



You say that you don't read any other posts (which, as we have seen, is not the case), but you're apparently not ever reading your own, much less recalling your own words. I am beginning to question your "experience," since you apparently can't remember making this statement:



which implies that anyone who says anything different that you must have no experience, and that those who disagree with you must get their knowledge about these matters second-hand.

and that's just a bunch of bunk. When you get to the age that you're allowed to vote, maybe by then you'll have figured it out.

Well after a few days away from this highschool bickering you guys seem to love so much I return to find out that nothing here is new. Still people with no knowledge of my abilities or personality attempt to profile me and fall flat on their faces. I did go back and read every single post here (which I advise you all to do) and I still stand by my hyposthesis that the majority of people are slow. I am trying to be as nice as possible when saying this because I know that most of you(herd mentality) will see I am saying something negative and you will all swarm to protect your precious pride. But in reality I have not once tried to tell anyone they are wrong. I have not tried to stir up trouble for my own amusement. I have not given anyone false information that could have an adverse effect on their daily life. All I did was voice my opinion about three motors based on my experiences and mine alone and a few of you "experts" didn't agree with me. Sorry to inform you guys but that is life. Not everything that you hear in life is going to please you but that doesn't mean it was said in spite of you. I am not trying to make enemies but it seems no matter how I put things I keep offending you guys. Maybe in a few years when this whole teen angst thing ends you guys will not think everyone in the world is out to get you. O.K. that was a little spiteful but it had to be said. So lets burry the hatchet kids. I like the 460 the most out of the 3 based on experiences and if you like one of the said others better then that is fine by me. I wouldn't even care if you said the 460 was the worst motor in the world based on your experiences. Theres no way to prove you wrong so I wouldn't even try.
The main reason I keep responding is to try to tell you guys I am not an instigator you all just need to relax and take a deep breath. I am not against you. If I have riled you up that just means you are too sensitive and you need to worry about the larger problems in life and let the smaller things slide. Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


There. Is that better?

[wild.bunch]

Back to share more flatulence, Landon? If you are actually

trying to be as nice as possible

, you've got the craziest way of doing so, having accused everyone else here of:

"highschool bickering"

"personality attempt to profile me" (er, I did take English, and this makes no sense)

"the majority of people are slow"

"I know that most of you(herd mentality) will see I am saying something negative and you will all swarm to protect your precious pride"

"But in reality I have not once tried to tell anyone they are wrong" (I quoted your saying just this -- I guess if you pull the covers over your head, you figure it will go away...)

"this whole teen angst thing ends" (I see you also study Psychology in your shop? How's about you tell us just what "teen angst" is, in your wide range of experience.)

"you are too sensitive"

Let me take a wild guess here, Landon: You have not just finished reading Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, have you?

Since you didn't win your gold star for Ford Patriotism, now you want a gold star for this:

I did go back and read every single post here (which I advise you all to do)

Look, Landon, I read all the posts to this thread before I posted anything to it. Do you suppose that there's a reason why that might be a good idea? I'm afraid you're not going to get a gold star for homework here, either.

No, no no, Landon, you can't have your way:

All I did was voice my opinion about three motors based on my experiences and mine alone and a few of you "experts" didn't agree with me.

I already told you: Nobody takes issue with your observations. What is being objected to is your insisting that only your opinion has any validity, because that's what you've seen. I've pointed this out to you earlier and you are still blathering on with the same tired bunkum. Wrong again, bud, sorry!

Not everything that you hear in life is going to please you but that doesn't mean it was said in spite of you.

you all just need to relax and take a deep breath

Have you considered practicing what you preach? Or even listening to what you say in the first place?

I am not trying to make enemies but it seems no matter how I put things I keep offending you guys.

Keep working at it, Landon. I'm sure you'll figure out why this is so.

So lets burry the hatchet kids.

After what you've been laying here, Landon, you don't need to bury a hatchet. You just need a cat box and a bright moon to take care of your "issues."

[LMS Residential]

I can only speak from my limited experience as the only 460 I've ever had was in the engine bay of a 76 Lincoln 4 door Town Car. It respectably pushed around the tonnage with little effort but was no star in the acceleration department. It consumed copious amounts of fossil fuel. Remember this was a smogged, air pumped 76.
Had a number of 454s over the years, 3 HD3500 trucks, a 72 Caprice Classic coupe and a 71 Chevelle SS/4 speed/4.11 posi that actually had stress cracks above the rear sails from launch torque, the glove box lock would pop open off the line and at 1-2 shift. Awesome motors, did seem to all consume a little oil around 70k and on. None were treated kindly.
FF to the future. Not a Mopar guy here but was able to pick up a 67 Imperial 4 door ht with 32k original from Oklahoma about 3 years ago. 440/375 hp "Super Commando" option with closed chamber heads, same motor they planted in the 67 GTX. Only in the Imperial it came with a 2.91 open rear end, I guess so you could cruise effortlessly all day at, say, 135mph or so. It had been sitting quite a while, so I decided to rebuild the motor to be safe. Nothing fancy, mostly head work(p/p), 10.5 to 1 comp blah blah...now runs on 93 octane unleaded just fine. 727 TF with shift kit, electronic ignition, found a 3.55 posi and swapped that in.
OMG!! There's something about the roar of that motor even with a pair of mufflers/resonators that just makes you grin. I've, off hand, blown away a 74 Formula 455, a couple of Mustang GT 5.0s, a Vette or 2 and God remembers what else. I'm careful, don't like to lose. It's great to get to the next light and inevitably have the loser ask, WTF is in that thing, a hemi?
Anyhow, I vote for my 440. Reliable, surprisingly ok on gas, scary fast(in a 5000 or so # family car) and I've been offered more for the motor than I paid for the car...but I'll probably let the kids sell it when I'm gone.

[landon460]

Thank you for your post. That is the kind of stuff I am hear to read.

[landon460]

Thank you for your post. This is the kind of useful information we are here to read. Regardless of your opinion which motor is the best it is still nice to read some real life experiences of others. It's just unfortunate that others like to start trouble based on others opinions.

[landon460]

[quote=wild.bunch;8130049]Back to share more flatulence, Landon? If you are actually , you've got the craziest way of doing so, having accused everyone else here of:

"highschool bickering"

"personality attempt to profile me" (er, I did take English, and this makes no sense)

"the majority of people are slow"

"I know that most of you(herd mentality) will see I am saying something negative and you will all swarm to protect your precious pride"

"But in reality I have not once tried to tell anyone they are wrong" (I quoted your saying just this -- I guess if you pull the covers over your head, you figure it will go away...)

"this whole teen angst thing ends" (I see you also study Psychology in your shop? How's about you tell us just what "teen angst" is, in your wide range of experience.)

"you are too sensitive"

Let me take a wild guess here, Landon: You have not just finished reading Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, have you?

Since you didn't win your gold star for Ford Patriotism, now you want a gold star for this:

Look, Landon, I read all the posts to this thread before I posted anything to it. Do you suppose that there's a reason why that might be a good idea? I'm afraid you're not going to get a gold star for homework here, either.

No, no no, Landon, you can't have your way: I already told you: Nobody takes issue with your observations. What is being objected to is your insisting that only your opinion has any validity, because that's what you've seen. I've pointed this out to you earlier and you are still blathering on with the same tired bunkum. Wrong again, bud, sorry!


As I sit here with a smile on my face due to how weak your mind is, I write to you only to try to teach you a thing or two. Also, I do practice what I preach. I have been as nice as possible to you all considering the ignorance I am have to put up with. In every stroke of the keys I have to keep myself from telling you how I really feel about people such as yourself that cannot properly process what you are reading. Your ignorance is evident in this comment, "personality attempt to profile me" (er, I did take English, and this makes no sense).
It would make more sense if you quoted the whole sentence because you only used a fragment. If it is the word "profile" that confuses you I imagine you have no background in law enforcement.
Also, quit trying to be smart by disecting my responses like quoting "this whole teen angst thing ends" (I see you also study Psychology in your shop? How's about you tell us just what "teen angst" is, in your wide range of experience.) If you really don't see the sarcasm in me saying you are going through "teen angst" then you are truely a simpleton. And no, we don't study Psychology in my shop, I did however in college.
I still don't know what was originally said to get you so upset. Sure later on I tell you how it is but I never said anything in my original posts to upset anyone but sure enough you all started wetting your panties. I would still love for someone to quote me saying to anyone that they are wrong!!!!!! You all keep saying that I will only believe what I want to believe and nobody can tell me different but no one can give an example of this. I sure you all have your mechanical abilities and whatnot. Im sure some of you can tell me a stat or two that I am not aware of. The fact of the matter is, I have not told anyone they are wrong about ANYTHING pertaining to vehicles. You are wrong about your opinion of me but thats all. I do suggest that people such as yourself take some kind of Comprehension Strategy course because you completely misunderstand what I say whenever I say it. Having an IQ of 141 can be a curse regardless of what the University of Phoenix told me. I often insult people of less intelligence on a daily basis because I get frustrated being surrounded by idiots. This doesn't pertain to everyone on this site, just the individuals such as yourself.

[landon460]

If you are an enthusiast then you would have read the replies to become a better informed person.

Sorry but not everyone has all day to read every post on hear some of us have lives. I do try to make the time when things get slow to read more responses but don't bring my enthusiasm into question when you have no idea who I am.

[landon460]

[quote=BigDaddy6969;8119716][quote=wild.bunch;8110979]This statement doesn't illustrate much familiarity with the similarities and differences between the 460 and the 429, nor with the difference between the CJ/SCJ engines and the rest of the Lima family.

This part of your statement is true:

OWNED!!! The bad part is that I warned him and he still didn't listen, good work w.b

How many video games do you own?

[wild.bunch]

Having an IQ of 141 can be a curse regardless of what the University of Phoenix told me.

(sputter!) You must feel gratified for having dodged that bullet, for sure!

I still don't know what was originally said to get you so upset.

You appear to be the one who is upset here, claiming you want to bury hatchets and claiming you won't read posts you don't like and claiming you won't engage in pointless internet arguments. Yet, you haven't made good on any of these claims. I suggest that first of all, you go back and read your own posts to this thread and figure out just what it is you are trying to say (if you can sort out your own contradictions) and what you have said, and then read what others have written. I've explained it to you several times, so perhaps you might try reading it that many times (at least) until you figure it out, before you get back here and bray some more.

For instance, I've already quoted you as saying and implying others don't know what they are talking about when they disagree with you -- ignoring this fact doesn't put your college education in a very good light.

I sure you all have your mechanical abilities and whatnot.

Thank you very much.

Im sure some of you can tell me a stat or two that I am not aware of.

I'd sure like to know who those people are!

Ah, nothing like more "being nice," eh, landon?

how weak your mind is

I have been as nice as possible to you all considering the ignorance I am have to put up with

Look, you say you went to college, you say you are trying to be so nice (and I really am so touched by your kindness), and you say you are trying to teach me something, yet you say this:

Your ignorance is evident in this comment, "personality attempt to profile me" (er, I did take English, and this makes no sense).

Evidently, you just don't want to admit that despite your own vast experience and education, you can't even explain what your own posts are attempting to communicate, much less "educate" anyone else.

I often insult people of less intelligence on a daily basis because I get frustrated being surrounded by idiots. This doesn't pertain to everyone on this site, just the individuals such as yourself.

Oh, you are very rich, bud! Your humor has made my day! First you tell me how you are so nice and how hard you try, then you tell me that you often insult people of less intelligence -- I really appreciate this last part, since you don't state who these people with less intelligence are being compared to. It's totally apparent you are not being modest...

Anyway, please accept my condolences for the burden you bear, living in a world surrounded by idiots.

[460swmo]

Bone stock the 472/500 Cadillac is king but a 4.3 stroke crankshaft can easily be installed in the 385 series Fords though. But those Cadillacs are torque monsters and it is a shame GM never took advantage of the power potential and robust design of those engines in a truck application cause they are impressive in every way possible.