I have read the same thing. One would expect the Cummins to get better mileage being an I-6 and the PSD 6.0 being a V8, and that has been proven. If you are looking for better mileage go with the Cummins, it won't let you down.
A question for you here. Have you had a PSD before it sounds like you havent. I cant believe a Ford guy would mention getting a Dodge. Forget the Dodge youll regret it. I currently have a 2003 PSD with the 7.3. Im getting 18MPG thats with winter grade fuel and I expect Ill get better with summer grade. Thats great mileage in my books. A lot off these 6.0s are getting upwards of the same mileage.The Dodges are just not built as good as the Fords. If I were you Id DODGE theDodge brand. Forget get a Ford. Now do it.
150Ford, give us the total cost of ownership breakdown between the dodge and ford. I'm looking for data on total cost, including service and fuel. This should include reconmended oil change intervals as well.
dhofmann, opinions are just that, opinions. Take a look at maintance cost for yourself, don't take anyone's opinion from this forum. There's plenty of data on the internet.
BTW, my Dad has a 96 Dodge 2500 5.9 cummins with over 350K miles, and he gets in upwards of 21 - 22 MPG unloaded, and gets 18 MPG pulling a 23K lb 5th wheel. On top of this, it is pushing 330 RWHP and 650 RWTQ.
I agree with FRECSF, go somewhere else to get a good solid idea of what mileage you might expect, as well as any truthful information about Dodge pickups. This forum is a bit biased.
Anyway, it sounds like the 610 Cummins gets around 15 mpg, which is a couple of mpg's better than the 6.0 gets, sounds like they get around 12-13 mpg. Either engine can probably get better mileage than that, but some people report their mileage before the engines are broke in.
I also wouldn't go by the 'fact' that since the Cummins is an I6 that it will get better mileage. The 300 I6 didn't get that much better mileage than a 302, a similar sized V8...
Actually, a 300-6 usually makes much better gas mileage than a 302. Generally a carbed 300 in a pickup with a 4-speed stick (no overdrive) makes 15 mpg, while an EFI 302 with an OD automatic or a five speed only makes 12-13 mpg. A carbed 302 with a 4-speed behind it will probably get 10 mpg at best.
I wouldn't be jumping ship to a Dodge just to get couple mpg better over the 6.0 liter because its not worth it. If your looking at getting good MPG better get a diesel Volkswagen. The only Cummins that got good mileage was the 160hp version in a 6500lb Dodge 3/4 ton 2wd. The new Cummins are not getting the same MPG. If you really plan on using the truck for work you better stick with a Ford.
I wouldn't be jumping ship to a Dodge just to get couple mpg better over the 6.0 liter because its not worth it. If your looking at getting good MPG better get a diesel Volkswagen. The only Cummins that got good mileage was the 160hp version in a 6500lb Dodge 3/4 ton 2wd. The new Cummins are not getting the same MPG. If you really plan on using the truck for work you better stick with a Ford.
You know this for a fact huh? You are mistaken. I had a 4x4 24v that got 24 on the highway. You are correct though. Some of the old 12v could do as well as 28mpg on the highway in extreme circumstances.
I think the 6.0 is doing better mileage but the 5.9 will last longer. No egr equals longer life according to caterpillar. Ill take their word on it.
What year was it, the new ones are not getting that at ALL.
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Ford seems to have the lowest mileage from their diesels, compared to Chevy or Dodge. Choosing the Dodge is NOT a bad idea either. Check out both Dodge forums and Ford forums for actual owners experiences. The 6.0's have had plenty of problems and bugs that Ford is trying to work out, behind the engine the tranny isn't doing well either. The cummins is a great engine. Any diesel owner will tell you that. Its a durable, powerful engine that isn't without its own issues, but nothing as serious as Fords. As for Chevy, the Duramax is a powerful engine that takes extremelly well to any upgrade you give it. The only issue I've seen for this engine, is injectors that are replaced by upgraded versions. A co-worker had this issue 10,000 miles ago and since the replacement has been no trouble at all-he works this truck hard also. It seems to be a hit or miss problem, and the allison tranny is also very good with minor issues also-mostly when power is pushed very high by mods. The older 7.3's that 150ford talks about are a great diesel engine, that lasts long, works hard, and gets good mileage, but thats no longer the case with the 6.0.
I have friends that have the 6.0 and have no problems. People post there problems in the forums. They usually dont post success stories and there are plenty off those. MPG is just one part off the equation. You look at the areas where they actually use there trucks as trucks and Fords the choice. There built to take abuse and Dodge isnt. I was talking to a guy the other day and he is a Gm guy but has had Ford. He told me that if you want a real work truck to take the abuse you get a Ford. He was pretty firm is his comments. Dodge he wouldnt even consider one off those.
The 6.0's have had plenty of problems and bugs that Ford is trying to work out, behind the engine the tranny isn't doing well either.
Please don't tell me you know this because that is what someone told you. I'll agree they aren't perfect, but you'll never get a perfect engine when it comes out for the first time. They might have had thier problems, but majority of them have been corrected. I sure do see a lot of 6.0L on the road for so many of them "having problems". I know more people that haven't had any problems with the 6.0L than those that have, which is none as of now. Granted that is biased to my own experience and the people I know. But you only hear about the problems because this is a forum to help people with their trucks. There are MANY more trucks out there without the problems than those that are having them. Go to the dodge forum, I'm sure you can read plenty about things going wrong with their new cummins 600 and claim that they are a bad engine because of all the problems they are having.
The 6.0L is getting better mileage as it gets more years under it's belt, also becoming a much better engine than when it first started out. Compare it to the 7.3L, they kept improving upon it and the last couple of years they made it, it was an awesome engine. The 6.0L is going through the same process.
I have friends that have the 6.0 and have no problems. People post there problems in the forums. They usually dont post success stories and there are plenty off those. MPG is just one part off the equation. You look at the areas where they actually use there trucks as trucks and Fords the choice. There built to take abuse and Dodge isnt. I was talking to a guy the other day and he is a Gm guy but has had Ford. He told me that if you want a real work truck to take the abuse you get a Ford. He was pretty firm is his comments. Dodge he wouldnt even consider one off those.
Please, You post things all the time by what people "Say" on the forums. You use this to put down Dodge and GM all the time, which makes it right in your mind, but when someone else does this (not what I'm basing my info on) its supposedly wrong?
Please don't tell me you know this because that is what someone told you. I'll agree they aren't perfect, but you'll never get a perfect engine when it comes out for the first time. They might have had thier problems, but majority of them have been corrected. I sure do see a lot of 6.0L on the road for so many of them "having problems". I know more people that haven't had any problems with the 6.0L than those that have, which is none as of now. Granted that is biased to my own experience and the people I know. But you only hear about the problems because this is a forum to help people with their trucks. There are MANY more trucks out there without the problems than those that are having them. Go to the dodge forum, I'm sure you can read plenty about things going wrong with their new cummins 600 and claim that they are a bad engine because of all the problems they are having.
The 6.0L is getting better mileage as it gets more years under it's belt, also becoming a much better engine than when it first started out. Compare it to the 7.3L, they kept improving upon it and the last couple of years they made it, it was an awesome engine. The 6.0L is going through the same process.
So your saying don't go by the forums, but then tell me to check the Dodge forums to find out the problems that the Dodge Cummins has.
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