i think dodge went overboard with their v10.ford has it about right.dodge has an oversized fuel hog.ford allows for a solid engine with the 415.it has a good powerbase that can be improved upon throughout it's future.it licks some of the v-8's i've used in the past.

 

The Cummins is rated at 325 hp and 610 ft/lbs of torque.

 

If Ford would have taken the time to reduce the CD (coefficient drag) of their cars….they could have competed with the Super Birds…..it was all about air!

 

Pretty sure Ford had a sloped nose vehicle in the Talledaga. Cosmetics aside, I'd bet in the wind tunnel all those cars were pretty dirty.........including the Superbird.

Of course the speed had to do with motors getting smaller but it was the terrible way these vehicles crashed when the air was disturbed.

The '85 small block T-bird of Bill Elliot, I believe, still holds the Super Speedway record of 209 MPH.(?)

The late sixties cars would have been in orbit at that speed! They were just edging 200(uncomfortably I might add) when NASCAR figured they didn't want 4000 pounds of Ford or Dodge reaching the nose bleed seats at Daytona.(I left GM out because they were slow )

 

Hemi Facts....

1952 A special HEMI® is tested in a Kurtis Kraft Indy roadster; it's banned by racing officials as too fast.
1953 Lee Petty's HEMI® Dodge wins five NASCAR races and finishes second in championship points.
1953 Cunningham's C-4R HEMI® wins 12 Hours of Sebring and finishes third at Le Mans.
1953 A Dodge HEMI® V-8 breaks 196 stock car records at Bonneville Salt Flats.
1954 Lee Petty wins NASCAR Grand National championship driving Chrysler and Dodge HEMI®s.
1954 Cunningham HEMI®s win Sebring again, third and fifth at Le Mans.
1955 Chrysler introduces the legendary 300 as America's most powerful stock car
1955 Chrysler "300" with dual 4-barrel 331 c.i.d. HEMI® is first production car to make 300 hp.
1955 Frank Mundy wins AAA Championship in Kiekhaefer-prepared Chrysler 300.
1956 Buck Baker wins NASCAR Grand National Championship in Chrysler 300-B with 14 wins.
1956 Chrysler 300-B sets World Passenger Car speed record at Daytona Beach - 133.9 mph.
1958 Don "Big Daddy" Garlits breaks the 170 mph barrier in his "Swamp Rat" HEMI® dragster.
1958 Chrysler 300-D HEMI® sets a Class E speed record at Bonneville at 156.387 mph.
1959 Original Ramchargers debut "High & Mighty" HEMI®-powered C/A (altered class) '49 Plymouth to win NHRA Nationals.
1964 A.J. Foyt wins Firecracker 400 at Daytona; Plymouths or Dodges lead every lap.
1964 Chrysler introduces the 426 c.i.d. race HEMI® into competition.
1964 Richard Petty debuts the 426 HEMI® and laps the field while winning the Daytona 500.
1964 Three HEMI® -powered Plymouths and a HEMI® Dodge sweep Daytona 1-2-3.
1964 HEMI®-powered stock cars win 26 of the 62 NASCAR Grand National races.
1964 Richard Petty captures his first of seven driving championships with eight wins, 37 top-five finishes.
1964 Don Garlits breaks 200 mph quarter mile barrier in HEMI® dragster - 201.34 mph in 7.78 sec.
1964 Jim Paschal wins NASCAR World 600 at Charlotte Motor Speedway in HEMI®-powered Plymouth.
1965 NASCAR outlaws HEMI® by setting minimum production levels for street use.
1965 Bob Summers sets present 409.227 mph Land Speed Record in "Goldenrod" using 4 HEMI®s in tandem.
1966 Chrysler builds the "Street HEMI®" and returns to NASCAR racing.
1966 Richard Petty again wins Daytona 500 in his HEMI® Plymouth Belvedere.
1966 HEMI® Dodge Charger wins the NASCAR Championship, Plymouth is second.
1966 Norm Nelson wins USAC stock car championship with seven wins in a HEMI® Plymouth.
1967 Richard Petty wins an incredible 27 Grand National races in HEMI® Plymouth; 10 in a row.
1967 Richard Petty wins his second NASCAR championship in his HEMI® Plymouth.
1967 Don White's Charger gives HEMI ® cars second USAC championship in a row.
1968 Sox and Martin win three major AHRA events; Ronnie Sox named AHRA Driver of the Year.
1968 Road Runner, first budget muscle car, is introduced by Plymouth; available with 426 HEMI® option.
1969 Dodge introduces Charger 500 HEMI®, which wins 22 NASCAR races.
1969 The "winged" 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona with HEMI® power reigns over NASCAR superspeedways.
1970 Buddy Baker becomes auto racing’s first driver officially timed completing a closed-course lap at more than 200 miles per hour. Baker piloted his Cotton Owens-owned No. 88 HEMI® Dodge Charger Daytona to a top lap speed of 200.447 mph at Talladega Superspeedway.
1970 Bobby Isaac sets a closed course speed record - 201.104 mph - in a Dodge Charger Daytona after winning the NASCAR championship.
1970 Sox and Martin HEMI® Plymouths win 17 major championships and are runners-up in all other major events.
1971 Bobby Isaac breaks 28 records at Bonneville in a Dodge Charger Daytona; top speed is 217.368 mph.
1971 Richard Petty wins his 3rd NASCAR Grand National championship in a HEMI® Road Runner.
1971 Don Garlits introduces HEMI-powered rear engine dragster at NHRA Winter Nationals.
1971 Sox and Martin win six of eight NHRA events; they represent drag racing at a presidential reception.
1991 Al Teague sets 409.986 mph wheel-driven Land Speed Record in the Supercharged class with single HEMI®.

 

Year Ford Mercury Chrysler Dodge Plym Chevy Pontiac

1960 15 - - 1 8 13 7
1961 7 - 1 - 3 11 30
1962 6 - - - 11 14 22
1963 23 1 - - 19 7 5
1964 30 5 - 14 12 1 -
1965 48 1 - 2 4 - -
1966 10 2 - 18 16 3 -
1967 10 - - 5 31 3 -
1968 21 6 - 5 16 1 -
1969 26 4 - 22 2 - -
1970 6 4 - 17 21 - -
1971 4 11 - 8 22 3 -
1972 - 9 - 4 8 10 -
1973 - 11 - 8 1 7 -
1974 - 7 - 10 - 12 -
1975 4 3 - 14 - 6 -
1976 1 10 - 6 - 13 -
1977 - 2 - 7 - 21 -

Total 211 76 1 141 174 125 64
% 26.5 9.5 0.1 17.7 21.8 15.7 8.0

Total Wins and percentage
Ford 287 36%
Chrysler 315 39.60%
GM 189 23.70%

 

Just because it won in a drag race doesn't mean its better at towing. Race a titan unloaded and loaded with 2000lbs. What is going to win a v10 or the titan? Titan for sure, but of course that doesnt mean it tows better.

 

Are you asking me what the HP rating for the 2003 Ford V10 is at 1500rpm? If so, it's rated at 225HP @ 1500rpm. The peak HP is of course 310HP @ 4250rpm. Hope that's what you wanted-if not let me know.

 

How about making it fair if you want to compare engines-a Titan 4x4 ext cab weighs right at 5000lbs. My Superduty V10 ext cab 4x4 weighs around 6900lbs. If you want to compare the two engines' acceleration (Nissan 5.6L & Ford 6.8L), how about loading an extra 3900lbs on the Titan and 2000lbs on the Superduty to make up for the difference in curb weight? Geez-that's a big difference.

That would make both engines each haul about 9000lbs total weight and I think at that rate the Ford V10 would embarass the oil out of the Nissan 5.6L . Fairs fair.

Ford's V10 makes more torque at 2000rpm that the Nissan V8 makes at it's peak way up at 3600rpm.

 

This may have been my fault. Sometimes I don't type too clearly.


The Ford V10 beat the Dodge V10 while empty.

The Ford V10 beat the Dodge V10 loaded.

The Ford V10 beat the Dodge V10 pulling.


The Ford traded wins with the GM 8.1 empty.

The GM 8.1 won ALL towing and loaded contests.

Is that more clear?


Pretty sure TRUCK TREND may still have that test on line.

The TRAILER LIFE test was about the same.



BTW Al, How's Peg and the kids? Shoe sales still paying the bills?


Go Polk High!!!

 

Is this about Ford V10 or Dodge V10...

 

Sorry for hijacking the thread, this was in response to the Nascar discussion within this thread.

 

THe Boss 429 spanked the Hemi pretty much form '69 on.

 

Drop the NASCAR stuff or start a new thread

 

i agree.this is about peoples appreciation of good trucks.this race track isn't where a good truck is proven.give me a good truck with a good heart and i'll prove it on the road or off it if needs be.