Lack of power or am i expecting too much
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Lack of power or am i expecting too much
I have a 92 f250 hd xlt 4x4 long bed, standard cab, automatic. The problem is it will not burn the tires when i floor it going forward, however it will do it in reverse. Tire size is 285/75/16. The truck runs excellent, but it will not peel out.
So, is this normal
So, is this normal
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i got a 302 short bed, regular cab, 5spd 4x4. i can't hit the gas too hard when launching, its got alot of low end power I'd smoke the tires but i don't beacuse I get alot of wheel hop. remeber, trucks are ment to grip. get a mustang for burnouts
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the 302 really shouldent have to hard of a time, my cousins old 87 f-150 w/ 302 spun 35X12.5s with not to much effort. my 87 f-150 w/ 351 and 31's spins them very good, and its not even running on all 8, i guess it could be normal. and wheel hop? i have never had that problem? kinda weird. oh and they were both autos, mines a c-6 his to i belive, with 3.55's
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Used to have a '90 F250 standard cab and bed, 2wd with stock size tires, 351W and 5 spd ZF manual tranny. 3.55 gears. it would spin them if you wanted but the clutch in it wasn't that great. It hopped alot in the back end so burnouts were not performed much if at all. That and i don't really try to tear my trucks up doing this.
My current truck, '89 F350 dually, flatbed, 2wd, 460, C6 a/t and 3.55 gears will not spin them dry unless you are in reverse and shift to foward while in reverse then you can chirp them but not smoke or even a peelout. If it's damp out you can powerbrake it and it does pretty good at that though. We put a different flatbed on it a while back (me and a buddy) and while the bed was off a couple days i had some fun in it. Did a couple of wicked burnouts with it, really nasty LOL think about it, a dually smoking all 4's back there. Of course there was no weight, thats why it didn't do it with a bed. It has dual exhaust pretty loud and sounds good. i was at school when they let out and did a powerbrake right there with the bed off and started smoking them with people all around, they loved it of course lol one kid came up and was amazed. Don't think he was a truck guy but he was impressed. Didn't really realize there wasn't any weight to hold it down back there, but it was still fun anyway. It was really footloose on dry pavement w/o a bed anyway, even being a dually.
Long and short- i don't really abuse my trucks but i do know what they'll do. If i were you, i wouldn't be upset that my truck didn't do a burnout. It's a truck, wasn't designed to be a crowd pleaser in that way.
Off topic i guess but a friend of mine has a '92 Honda Accord 2.2 liter 5 spd. He keeps sayin it'll beat my truck. I'm like, DUH!!! it ought to, being 1/3 the weight! He said, yah but you've got all that awesome torque, so you should have a advantage. I'm like, yeah but it also weighs 7,000# (with the bed on it) and got 6 large heavy tires on the ground, 4 of which the engine is trying to rotate. Plus the 3 spd a/t isn't exactly the fastest off the line IMHO. It's not terribly slow for a one ton flatbed IMHO but who cares, it's not meant to race. I keep telling him that racing my truck against his car, it would be just as fair to hook my 22' trailer loaded behind his Accord and see how it does compared to my truck
My current truck, '89 F350 dually, flatbed, 2wd, 460, C6 a/t and 3.55 gears will not spin them dry unless you are in reverse and shift to foward while in reverse then you can chirp them but not smoke or even a peelout. If it's damp out you can powerbrake it and it does pretty good at that though. We put a different flatbed on it a while back (me and a buddy) and while the bed was off a couple days i had some fun in it. Did a couple of wicked burnouts with it, really nasty LOL think about it, a dually smoking all 4's back there. Of course there was no weight, thats why it didn't do it with a bed. It has dual exhaust pretty loud and sounds good. i was at school when they let out and did a powerbrake right there with the bed off and started smoking them with people all around, they loved it of course lol one kid came up and was amazed. Don't think he was a truck guy but he was impressed. Didn't really realize there wasn't any weight to hold it down back there, but it was still fun anyway. It was really footloose on dry pavement w/o a bed anyway, even being a dually.
Long and short- i don't really abuse my trucks but i do know what they'll do. If i were you, i wouldn't be upset that my truck didn't do a burnout. It's a truck, wasn't designed to be a crowd pleaser in that way.
Off topic i guess but a friend of mine has a '92 Honda Accord 2.2 liter 5 spd. He keeps sayin it'll beat my truck. I'm like, DUH!!! it ought to, being 1/3 the weight! He said, yah but you've got all that awesome torque, so you should have a advantage. I'm like, yeah but it also weighs 7,000# (with the bed on it) and got 6 large heavy tires on the ground, 4 of which the engine is trying to rotate. Plus the 3 spd a/t isn't exactly the fastest off the line IMHO. It's not terribly slow for a one ton flatbed IMHO but who cares, it's not meant to race. I keep telling him that racing my truck against his car, it would be just as fair to hook my 22' trailer loaded behind his Accord and see how it does compared to my truck
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Merely subjective...
I don't see how "peeling out" is impressive in any way. Its hard on the transmission for sure, especially when being in reverse or neutral, then dropping it into a forward gear.
Young kids do this because they think its cool I guess. I remember those days
Anyway, if you can peel out easily, what this does indicate is you have more power than traction, which means your truck deserves more contact patch with the ground, meaning wider tires in the rear.
In my viewpoint (again, this is subjective), eliminating the peel-out ability through tire and suspension changes, enables you to actually use that power to accelerate. Then you can "beat" other vehicles.
I used to have a twin-turbo stroker (451cid) powered 75 dodge extended cab, with 12" wide slicks on the back. There was nothing streetable for miles that could keep up, dispite its weight. I could not spin the tires very easily, but the hookups to the pavement was necksnapping. Even spanked a few mildly modified Cobra mustangs, a well built naturally aspirated hemi-powered challenger, and a few C4 corvettes with this rickety dodge truck. And this is with tremendously sloppy rear axle that liked to wander left to right fairly regularly.
The point I'm making here is if you can peel out, you have power that you're wasting, and could apply to the pavement. Billowing white smoke from the rear wheels might look cool to you, and that's fine if that floats your boat. But, why waste it.
I don't see how "peeling out" is impressive in any way. Its hard on the transmission for sure, especially when being in reverse or neutral, then dropping it into a forward gear.
Young kids do this because they think its cool I guess. I remember those days
Anyway, if you can peel out easily, what this does indicate is you have more power than traction, which means your truck deserves more contact patch with the ground, meaning wider tires in the rear.
In my viewpoint (again, this is subjective), eliminating the peel-out ability through tire and suspension changes, enables you to actually use that power to accelerate. Then you can "beat" other vehicles.
I used to have a twin-turbo stroker (451cid) powered 75 dodge extended cab, with 12" wide slicks on the back. There was nothing streetable for miles that could keep up, dispite its weight. I could not spin the tires very easily, but the hookups to the pavement was necksnapping. Even spanked a few mildly modified Cobra mustangs, a well built naturally aspirated hemi-powered challenger, and a few C4 corvettes with this rickety dodge truck. And this is with tremendously sloppy rear axle that liked to wander left to right fairly regularly.
The point I'm making here is if you can peel out, you have power that you're wasting, and could apply to the pavement. Billowing white smoke from the rear wheels might look cool to you, and that's fine if that floats your boat. But, why waste it.
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I agree. My truck seems to be about right. When I gas it goin forward, I get a small chirp, then it catches, and I'm off. I think that's how you'd want it. It's a pretty quick truck with the 351. I beat a 2003 mitsu lancer on my way out of work at a stoplight. I even took it easy, givin it about 3/4 throttle most of the time. It has the most acceleration around 3300 RMP's anyway...
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Thanks for the answer Moose, that is exactly what I believe. However, the only fords i ever drive are f350 power strokes I have nothing to compare it with. The tires will do a slight chirp and that is it, but in reverse it will light them up and reverse is much more responsive. The truck runs excellent and has plenty of power except it just will not spin the tires.
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I found that the tires will make a big difference,if they are newer tires with big grips you will have a hard time spinning,if they are old worn tires you will spin easy,my 96 half ton with a 5.8 will lay a couple feet taking off from stand still,I wouldnt doubt that you cant spin with a heavier f250 though..