Ford or Dodge Diesel and why?
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09-11-2004, 05:52 PM
#92
09-12-2004, 10:28 PM
LH: I hold in my hands the November 2004 edition of "Truckin" (Vol 30, No. 11). They have compared the latest Dodge, Chevy & Ford crew-cab 2500 class diesel trucks.
The Ford/PSD was selected as the winner. It won the quarter-mile 5,000 lb tow test, coming in at 19.83 seconds with a speed of 66.71 mph. The Dodge was second at 20.38 seconds and 64.92mph. The Chevy was third at 21.56 seconds ... but ... was at 66.53mph when it got there.
The Ford/PSD also had the quickest acceleration from 0-60 at 15.05 seconds, while the Dodge was second at 16.98 seconds ... not even close.
These are acceleration tests, not constant-speed increasing-load analysis. The Ford/PSD is winning at 60 mph acceleration, and 1/4 mile at 66 mph. These are right in the "band" where you think the Cummins is so hot, and at that, this Cummins has the auto-transmission.
The other analysis, on one of these threads (constant-speed, increasing load) showed the PSD, generally speaking, maintains speed under increasing load for most conditions.
The "Truckin" test deals with conditions you can only model or simulate (not calculate) which pertain to dynamical acceleration capabilities of the engines.
By the way, in this article, the Ford/PSD is 300 lbs heavier than the Dodge and 400 lbs heavier than the Chevy. Impressive, huh? And the PSD was the least-torque of the engines at 570 compared to 590 and 600. So it was 30 ft-lbs short ... and 300 lbs heavier. What a mismatch, and it still won.
Between the very good analysis that I've seen here, and this example test, I conclude that your admiration for the Dodge and Cummins combination is one based more on nostalgic and emotional reasoning.
The Ford/PSD was selected as the winner. It won the quarter-mile 5,000 lb tow test, coming in at 19.83 seconds with a speed of 66.71 mph. The Dodge was second at 20.38 seconds and 64.92mph. The Chevy was third at 21.56 seconds ... but ... was at 66.53mph when it got there.
The Ford/PSD also had the quickest acceleration from 0-60 at 15.05 seconds, while the Dodge was second at 16.98 seconds ... not even close.
These are acceleration tests, not constant-speed increasing-load analysis. The Ford/PSD is winning at 60 mph acceleration, and 1/4 mile at 66 mph. These are right in the "band" where you think the Cummins is so hot, and at that, this Cummins has the auto-transmission.
The other analysis, on one of these threads (constant-speed, increasing load) showed the PSD, generally speaking, maintains speed under increasing load for most conditions.
The "Truckin" test deals with conditions you can only model or simulate (not calculate) which pertain to dynamical acceleration capabilities of the engines.
By the way, in this article, the Ford/PSD is 300 lbs heavier than the Dodge and 400 lbs heavier than the Chevy. Impressive, huh? And the PSD was the least-torque of the engines at 570 compared to 590 and 600. So it was 30 ft-lbs short ... and 300 lbs heavier. What a mismatch, and it still won.
Between the very good analysis that I've seen here, and this example test, I conclude that your admiration for the Dodge and Cummins combination is one based more on nostalgic and emotional reasoning.
#94
09-13-2004, 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by 150ford
Hey I always said the 6.0 was the fastest truck. Now theres proof.
Yes. Higher rpm torque is faster. A tow test I would read is to load both with a 25k load and do an acceleration test. Also do an increasing load test and see which holds its speed better.
#96
09-13-2004, 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by Logical Heritic
Thats funny. I also thought it was the fastest.
Yes. Higher rpm torque is faster. A tow test I would read is to load both with a 25k load and do an acceleration test. Also do an increasing load test and see which holds its speed better.
Yes. Higher rpm torque is faster. A tow test I would read is to load both with a 25k load and do an acceleration test. Also do an increasing load test and see which holds its speed better.
#97
09-13-2004, 10:45 AM
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09-13-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by MW95F250
Either way you try to manipulate the test in the Cummins favor--it will still not win.
The cummins is a big slow engine. The more weight you add. The closer you will find their performance. The harder the job is the better the cummins performs.
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Buy the Powerstroke..............
Originally Posted by Whistle
Hey all,
I'm currently looking into getting a truck. I'm 24 and I'm buying my first house in 2 weeks and selling my Harley so we can pay for furniture, so the wife can get a new car, and so we can save a little money. I've been in and out of cars WAY too much the last few years. The plan is to buy a truck that I can keep for the next 10 years or more with my annual mileage being about 17,000.
First of all I like Ford and Dodge trucks, I've had good experiences with both Ford & Mopar vehicles in the past, so that makes the decision hard right there. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about the new 6.0L Powerstroke, so if I get a Ford I would stick with the 7.3L. I've also heard a lot of good stuff about the new Cummins 600, and their new auto tranny. I've heard some bad stuff about Dodge's older transmissions which is why I'm not considering a used Dodge. So basically I am comparing a 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 CTD 600 4X2 quad cab with a used 2001 Ford F-250 SD PSD 4X2 Crew cab with 55,000 miles on it.
The Dodge would cost me about $30k new, and the Ford about $22K.
On the one hand the Dodge uses 12 quarts of oil, and has a drain interval of 15,000 miles, and gets better fuel mileage than the Ford.
On the other hand the Ford uses 15 quarts of oil w/a drain interval of 5,000 miles and gets worse fuel mileage. On the upside the insurance is about $100/year less and the initial cost of the vehicle is about $8k less.
With regards to power, the Dodge is more powerful out of the box, but I can pump up either truck for more go, so that isn't really a consideration for me.
Either of the vehicles will make it to the 170,000 projected miles of driving I plan on doing, with the Ford possibly needing a few more parts since it already has some miles on it.
I am primarily buying the truck for basic transportation, hunting, fishing & camping. I don't have the need to tow anything right now, but I plan on getting a boat in the future and restoring some classic cars, so eventually it will be used to tow.
I'm getting the larger cab cause I'm planning on having a few kids in a couple years, and want room to be able to take them to school etc.
I know most of you here are diehard Ford guys but I could use your opinion anyway! Over the long run will either one prove itself a better vehicle or end up costing me less as far as ALL of the associated costs are concerned?
Thanks for your help!!!
Nick
I'm currently looking into getting a truck. I'm 24 and I'm buying my first house in 2 weeks and selling my Harley so we can pay for furniture, so the wife can get a new car, and so we can save a little money. I've been in and out of cars WAY too much the last few years. The plan is to buy a truck that I can keep for the next 10 years or more with my annual mileage being about 17,000.
First of all I like Ford and Dodge trucks, I've had good experiences with both Ford & Mopar vehicles in the past, so that makes the decision hard right there. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about the new 6.0L Powerstroke, so if I get a Ford I would stick with the 7.3L. I've also heard a lot of good stuff about the new Cummins 600, and their new auto tranny. I've heard some bad stuff about Dodge's older transmissions which is why I'm not considering a used Dodge. So basically I am comparing a 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 CTD 600 4X2 quad cab with a used 2001 Ford F-250 SD PSD 4X2 Crew cab with 55,000 miles on it.
The Dodge would cost me about $30k new, and the Ford about $22K.
On the one hand the Dodge uses 12 quarts of oil, and has a drain interval of 15,000 miles, and gets better fuel mileage than the Ford.
On the other hand the Ford uses 15 quarts of oil w/a drain interval of 5,000 miles and gets worse fuel mileage. On the upside the insurance is about $100/year less and the initial cost of the vehicle is about $8k less.
With regards to power, the Dodge is more powerful out of the box, but I can pump up either truck for more go, so that isn't really a consideration for me.
Either of the vehicles will make it to the 170,000 projected miles of driving I plan on doing, with the Ford possibly needing a few more parts since it already has some miles on it.
I am primarily buying the truck for basic transportation, hunting, fishing & camping. I don't have the need to tow anything right now, but I plan on getting a boat in the future and restoring some classic cars, so eventually it will be used to tow.
I'm getting the larger cab cause I'm planning on having a few kids in a couple years, and want room to be able to take them to school etc.
I know most of you here are diehard Ford guys but I could use your opinion anyway! Over the long run will either one prove itself a better vehicle or end up costing me less as far as ALL of the associated costs are concerned?
Thanks for your help!!!
Nick
I personally own a 2001 Ford 7.3 PSD bought it new and I have put 80,000 on it and it keeps on going with no problems. Awesome truck and tows great. Tim (Sportsnutim)
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