It's Official - DCX's 6.1 Hemi with 425 HP
#16
Originally Posted by P51D Mustang
It seems that with the time lag it takes to bring new products to market, that Dodge planned these products on asumption that gas prices would stay moderate. They came out with the hemi Magnum, It's kinda of a modern day nomad, and it's a cool idea, in that context. However, I'm not sure how a 14mpg station wagon is going to do in the market with $2.00+ gas prices.
To get a high HP number, using two valves per cylinder-pushrod technology, you must shift the power band upward. You could shoot for strong low end tourqe using two valves per cylinder, but the HP number will be less. Most consumers don't understand lb-ft of tourqe at a given RPM, all they hear about is how much HP somethings got. Dealers want a high HP number they can use to wow customers with. The Dodge dealer can say: "look are hemi has 100 HP more than the other guys V8."
To get a high HP number, using two valves per cylinder-pushrod technology, you must shift the power band upward. You could shoot for strong low end tourqe using two valves per cylinder, but the HP number will be less. Most consumers don't understand lb-ft of tourqe at a given RPM, all they hear about is how much HP somethings got. Dealers want a high HP number they can use to wow customers with. The Dodge dealer can say: "look are hemi has 100 HP more than the other guys V8."
#18
That car will NOT be '03 Cobra fast. Book it. It may turn 13's, but barely. The '03 Cobra's are 12 second cars. Cobra's are and will be faster. More area under the curve, thanks the the SC, and much lighter.
I guarantee that only limited edition cars (and maybe trucks) will get the 420 hp version. There is no way that DC will put that engine in the regular old 3/4 ton truck. See their track record with the V10 for an example. A 6.1 may eventually come in a truck, but my money says it ends up having about 375 hp and about 400 torque.
I guarantee that only limited edition cars (and maybe trucks) will get the 420 hp version. There is no way that DC will put that engine in the regular old 3/4 ton truck. See their track record with the V10 for an example. A 6.1 may eventually come in a truck, but my money says it ends up having about 375 hp and about 400 torque.
#19
Originally Posted by bigsnag
That car will NOT be '03 Cobra fast. Book it. It may turn 13's, but barely. The '03 Cobra's are 12 second cars. Cobra's are and will be faster. More area under the curve, thanks the the SC, and much lighter.
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#20
Originally Posted by bigsnag
That car will NOT be '03 Cobra fast. Book it. It may turn 13's, but barely. The '03 Cobra's are 12 second cars. Cobra's are and will be faster. More area under the curve, thanks the the SC, and much lighter.
#21
C&D turned a 12.9 with a '03 Cobra. Motor Trend turned a 13.1, and they "only" got a 13.0 out of an '03 'Vette that day too. I don't think anyone would argue that the new Vette's are mid 13 second cars. You must have been researching pre-'03's to come up with 13.5's. That's what the NA 4.6 DOHC's were turning.
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#24
Originally Posted by bigsnag
HP calculators are notoriously inaccurate, especially when it comes to supercharged, nitrous, or turbo applications. We'll see what it actually turns when it makes it into production. Also, the Cobra's are GROSSLY underrated.
As for the 300C, it is another car that will not fit in any category. It's not nearly as wide, long, or spacious as a Crown Vic, not as fast as the '05 Mustang GT will be, and styling that mimics the Kia Armante. It will probably go the way of the prowler, a nice concept on paper, but poor execution.
#25
Originally Posted by 73Fastbackv10
As for the 300C, it is another car that will not fit in any category. It's not nearly as wide, long, or spacious as a Crown Vic, not as fast as the '05 Mustang GT will be, and styling that mimics the Kia Armante. It will probably go the way of the prowler, a nice concept on paper, but poor execution.
#26
I think it will end up being like the PT Cruiser. Just another car in a year or so. DC is really good about coming up with new ideas and cool looking cars. The problem is, neat looks wear off. After a year or so, it comes down to more than a novelty. People want a good reliable car at a good price. Anyone else remember when PT Cruisers were the hottest thing going and bringing several thousand over sticker?? Now its hard for dealerships to give them away. After the looks wore off, people realized they were nothing but a cool looking Neon.
#28
Originally Posted by bigsnag
I think it will end up being like the PT Cruiser. Just another car in a year or so. DC is really good about coming up with new ideas and cool looking cars. The problem is, neat looks wear off. After a year or so, it comes down to more than a novelty. People want a good reliable car at a good price. Anyone else remember when PT Cruisers were the hottest thing going and bringing several thousand over sticker?? Now its hard for dealerships to give them away. After the looks wore off, people realized they were nothing but a cool looking Neon.
I personally feel that the 300 is a very good sedan to be offered by one of the big 3. Both GM and Ford really don't offer a car in this catagory.
#30
325 HP in a sedan (as of right now) is MORE than enough power for it to be considered a "Big V8". If they put the 6.1 in it i cant imagine how much it would blow the doors off all the other sedans. I love the looks, feel, acceleration etc of the 300, none better right now for the money IMO.