Ok here we go, a thread to compare any gas powered V8 engine from the Muscle Car era to the 427. Anything from Hemi's to LS6's to BOSSES to Nascar engines, weather it be 350 ci or 700 ci , lets hear it. I know this is going to be a hard conversation to be kept civil but lets try for as long as we can. I just want to know once and for all what was the baddest of bad engines to roll out of Dearborn reguarless of production, cost, or anything. After we state that then we can talk about production engines or which ever order you guys would like to go in, doesnt matter to me. I just want factual info on the Cammer and its competition, b/c I know after that the opinions will start rolling in.

 

This should get good, With the SOHC "It was proven by its consistent wins on strips and tracks around the world since its introduction."

"The SOHC is a true Hemispherical chamber design with huge opposed valves and extremely efficent ports." This is out of my " Ford Performance " book by Pat Ganahl, this book has pics of some of FORD's wildest engines.

Just adding fuel for your debate thunderguns71,,,,,,,,,



Later,,,,,,,,,,Mark

 

The cammer 427 made 625hp out of the box if I remember correctly.

 

When you look at both the SOHC 427 and the 426 Hemi Super Stock motors in similar size and weight vehicles, they look to be pretty even. I've seen Super Stock Hemi's with factory stock rebuilds make around 630 HP. That is about the same as what a SOHC 427 will make from what I hear.

A friend of mine collects vintage drag cars, and he owns Gas Rhonda's factory AFX Mustang with a 427 cammer and a 4-speed. That car is wicked. I also know a few guys with real 68 Hemi Super Stock Dodge Darts and they are pretty bad as well. The Darts are lighter than the Stangs, so they ran a little quicker, but both motors are as awsome as it gets for factory offerings.

 

I've got the 1966 (?) Hot Rod magazine with the cammer on the front, exhaust manifolds glowing red. I'll dig it out and give some quotes.

I remember reading about Chrysler trying to go OHC and having an OHC hemi in testing--running it up with a big electric motor for testing. Something in the valve train broke at 6800 RPM. Then NASCAR pulled the plug on OHC and that was the end for the Hemi OHC and probably the beginning of the end for the Ford.

More later, after I get the "Wayback" machine started.....

 

Easy, the new GM 572 crate engine. No replacement for displacement. 630hp

 

Aluminum 427 Ford, not from Dearborn, but from Vegas.
725 horses, out of the box.
630 horses, Chebby? Chickenfeed. Or is that Cobra feed?
http://www.carrollshelbyent.com/engine_about.cfm

you can pick one up here http://www.gt350sr.com/ProductPage.aspx?ItemID=16
just $33,399.00!!

I doubt if they ever go on special


RF

 

O.K. Ringo, I'll concede, but, that extra 95 horses are going to cost you $20,000? I'll stick with the 572, buy a blower, and pocket the $14,000 difference.

 

But what about for the 60's though, when the "Cammer" came about, what else besides the Hemi was competition , if you consider a Hemi competition, you may or may not.

 

so far as I know,in the Sixties Thunderguns, Ford had 'em all smoked by a country mile with the SOHC... just ask them Ferraris the GT40's sucked up in their pipes at LeMans.

The Cammers were slated for the minimal production in cars, to meet NASCAR's minimums, as I understand it. I know some came out in Galaxies, but they may have been dealer-installed options. You know, like air conditioning

But , before that could be done, apparently NASCAR changed the rules, and Ford scrapped that program, unfortunately for those of us who bleed blue blood. So you have to get a T-bolt or a drag mustang, Comet or (man I'd love to have) those two F100 drag vehicles. or a Shelby or a GT40 or a trans-am Cougar. All rare as chicken teeth and with the engines long gone from a Sunday race meet 35 years ago.

Too bad.


RF

 

Actually you can get a 720hp 572.

http://www.sdpc2000.com/landing.asp?pageid=2

 

yes there is cubic dollars

 

The GT 40 used 289s at first, then 427 OHV, not SOHC egines, as I recall. And, the Ferraris sucked up the 289 powered GT 40s, it took the big 427 to do the job. The SOHC engine was developed for NASCAR, cause the 426 Hemi was making more power than the 427 OHV engine in NASCAR trim. NASCAR mandated that each manufacturer had to produce a certain number of street versions of their NASCAR engines, Chrysler did, Ford didn't. That's why the 427 SOHC engine was outlawed in NASCAR. Ford then did some drag racing with the engine, but it was not suitable for street use. I heard they had issues with timing due to chain stretch, maybe someone else knows for sure. Anyway, Chrysler deserves alot of credit for detuning a racing engine for street use, and the Hemi is the engine everyone else compares to, and that's saying alot.

 

get a 514 Ford 650 HP and 600 Ft Lbs of Torque thru Ford or you can Get up to a 806 Ford thru flatlander racing with over 1000 hp.

 

The race hemi was definately the cammer's competition, the only one I know of. IMO crate motors don't count.