Ford PSD resale values around here are great. They bring top dollar and sell quick. There are probably 20 Ford dealers within a days drive from anywhere in the country. Get it fixed or get rid of it. You are not helping yourself. Your posts are just like another internet hoax, without credibility.
That's true for all of us. For example, why would we take your word for it that resale values are great in your area? Poster credibility is in the eye of the reader.
I think the question was would I buy an 04? Nope. but that is only because I like my 03 with a 2/03 engine build date so much and yes it has had a few bugs but I haven't had to pay for the repairs and they were done in a timely manner. I think that alot of people comlain about issues with the engine not because it is bad but because it is so different than the beloved 7.3. Ford should have better advertized the difference of the engine. People think it is going to be like a cummins or 7.3 ps that is all bottom end, but this engine is a high revving diesel that doesn't even call on the turbo until 1600 rpm. so anyway long story short buy an 04 but know what you are buying versus what you need/want.
That's true for all of us. For example, why would we take your word for it that resale values are great in your area? Poster credibility is in the eye of the reader.
Jeb, you are not the problem. You don't jump on every thread titled "should I buy a 6.0" and bad mouth the brand over and over again for months on end like some enraged nut trying to kill Ford. I can understand people stating their problem and getting ideas in return and from time to time posting the progress being made. What I do have a problem with is the very few with an almost maniacal rage determined to undermine Ford sales in every way possible at every opportunity. They never seem to attempt to get the problems fixed but continue to drive their trucks every day. These people are promoting the internet hoax that the 6.0 engine is bad. The problems have been 90% injector related (fixed) and software related (getting there). The rest of the problems are certainly not more prevalent than any other vehicle.
Think about it. As you drive around, count the PSDs on the road and count the ones with the hoods up on the side of the road. As Tim said yesterday, by the noise on this thread, you would think that 25% would be dead on the side of the road.
We can band together to help each other to fix our trucks and preserve the value or continue to let a few try to drive the perception of the quality of our trucks down and the value with it.
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BTW look at the high mileage 6.0 thread and see what those guys think of thier truck that have been driven more.
Good point it is growing
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I just got off the phone with the Service Manager at the dealership where I bought the vehicle. My truck is flashed with the Dec 03 flash. It has been in for a few problems all fixed, except the problems brought on by the flashes. He concurs with my opinion that the there won't be a fix coming out for the 03 engines to solve the admitted problems of fuel economy and performance. He has spoken to the Ford Area Rep and the General Manager. Ford has said the fuel economy tests were good and there is no problem. I mentioned the Ford News Release claiming an 8% improvement.
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The result is a best-in-class diesel power package that produces 325 horsepower at 3,300 rpm and 560 foot-pounds of torque at 2,000 rpm. The diesel engine also improves fuel economy by approximately 8 percent, while satisfying the most stringent emissions standards. Oxides of nitrogen (NOx) are reduced by 20 percent when compared with the well-respected 7.3-liter it replaces.
The Service Manager has recommended that if I am not happy with the product, I should file with the DSB. He would help me with it.
Here is my dillemma: I get 17,8 MPG highway, 15 combined. I have a March 27, 03 engine. Ran great until it got flashed. It still runs good but not with the fuel economy and performance it had before. If I hadn't experienced the Pre Oct flash performance, I would probably be okay with this truck.
The 04 6.0L engine is very different from the 03. Different software, different FICM, turbo etc. You can't compare them, I don't think.
I have had two rear mains replaced, still has a oil hanging drip, lower radiator hose replaced, flashed twice for surging idle.
That's true for all of us. For example, why would we take your word for it that resale values are great in your area? Poster credibility is in the eye of the reader.
The following are All the 6.0 PSDs for sale in the Dallas Morning News today which is the beginning of the weekend sales adds.
'03 F250 Crew Cab XLT Diesel, CD, 29K mi., $28,900. 972-824-4567
Pickups Ford - The Dallas Morning News - 05/14/2004
'03 Ford F350 Crew Cab dually 4WD Lariat diesel, many extras $33K 214-284-8956.
Pickups Ford - The Dallas Morning News - 05/14/2004
'03 Lariat FX4 250 Diesel Supercrew. Excellent cond. 23Kmi. All options. $35K OBO. 940-321-3825
Pickups Ford - The Dallas Morning News - 05/14/2004
Call them and verify if you like.
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I just got off the phone with the Service Manager at the dealership where I bought the vehicle. My truck is flashed with the Dec 03 flash. It has been in for a few problems all fixed, except the problems brought on by the flashes. He concurs with my opinion that the there won't be a fix coming out for the 03 engines to solve the admitted problems of fuel economy and performance. He has spoken to the Ford Area Rep and the General Manager. Ford has said the fuel economy tests were good and there is no problem. I mentioned the Ford News Release claiming an 8% improvement.
The Service Manager has recommended that if I am not happy with the product, I should file with the DSB. He would help me with it.
Here is my dillemma: I get 17,8 MPG highway, 15 combined. I have a March 27, 03 engine. Ran great until it got flashed. It still runs good but not with the fuel economy and performance it had before. If I hadn't experienced the Pre Oct flash performance, I would probably be okay with this truck.
The 04 6.0L engine is very different from the 03. Different software, different FICM, turbo etc. You can't compare them, I don't think.
I have had two rear mains replaced, still has a oil hanging drip, lower radiator hose replaced, flashed twice for surging idle.
I would take an 04 6.0L F250.
Would you file a DSB? Do I have enough?
My wife works for the Texas Dept. of Transportation where they hold the lemon law hearings. She says that very few people win if it goes that far.
You have a predator don't you? Save your stock flash to disk and I will do the same. I will give you my May 03 flash and you can try it. If it doesn't help, reload your old one.
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Like I said, if I hadn't driven it before it got flashed I would have no dissatisfaction. I have to decide if the benefits outweigh the BS of going through a DSB process, etc.
With the Predator, it behaves the way it did when I bought it.
Like I said, if I hadn't driven it before it got flashed I would have no dissatisfaction. I have to decide if the benefits outweigh the BS of going through a DSB process, etc.
With the Predator, it behaves the way it did when I bought it.
Good, I'll download mine to disk this weekend and bring a CD with it to Austin next Monday, E-mail me your phone number in case I've lost it.
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I just got through meeting with a service manager at another dealership about my truck and the low mpgs, he told me that since my truck was not running poorly and not throwing any codes there is problaby nothing that can be done to improve my mpgs. He told me he has had 2 other trucks with same problem and they were unable to make any improvement in mpgs, one truck was modified and ford did nothing for that owner and they bought the other truck back. He told me DO NOT MODIFY THE TRUCK IN ANY WAY,INCLUDING EXHAUST AND AIR FILTER.
tn mac, thanks, The service manager from the dealer I use said he would help me do the paperwork on a DSB. He said he spoke with the Ford rep and Ford is most probably not going to do anything further for the 03 6.0L. The differences between the 03 and 04 are extensive. Are the 04's getting better fuel economy than the 03's? I am still undecided as to whether I want to do the DSB.
I'm so used to driving with the Predator I had forgotten how these things drive stock. Mine smokes more at start makes more noise and probably gets poor mileage too.
You know, mine with the predator, gets the 17 MPG that the fuel economy guide at the Ford dealer indicated I would get. I checked this before I bought the truck. I never saw a higher claim anywhere from Ford. I have heard tales of 20+ miles per gallon on early 6.0 and 7.3 engines, but I have never seen one do it.
I had a 4.0 Ranger before this that got 18 driving the same as I do now, before that a 3.0 Ranger and a 2.4 Ranger and none got 20 MPG. My 87 F-150 with a 300 6 and a stick got 17 MPG.
I think the only people who get 20 MPG drive 50 MPH on a flat road with a 30 MPH tail wind. Never driving 80 in traffic up and down hills and into a headwind.
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Last edited by Choctaw Bob; 05-15-2004 at 10:01 PM.
Im getting 17-19 with my foot through the firewall at 90+ with the Superchips on 150. With the cruise set on 65-75, on semi-level ground, the comp will register about 21. I havent figured it manually since i got the chip, but this is about a mile per gallon more since i got the chip, and that is on the max setting, with smoke pouring any time the opprotunity arises.
Im getting 17-19 with my foot through the firewall at 90+ with the Superchips on 150. With the cruise set on 65-75, on semi-level ground, the comp will register about 21. I havent figured it manually since i got the chip, but this is about a mile per gallon more since i got the chip, and that is on the max setting, with smoke pouring any time the opprotunity arises.
Check out the Dyno numbers we got today on the Predator thread.
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