I live for the day you and your buddy have a problem
You see, that is the main difference between you and me. I would never wish bad things to happen to you.
I would just hope you would quit letting your service tech be the gate keeper. I would never let someone without any authority deny me access to the Ford rep, or the owner/manager of the dealership. I would never be denied service by a dealer, there are too many who would like to have your business. You are caught in a rut in your own mind. Break out! You can do it!
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Preditor, Gages, K & N FIPK
I live for the day you and your buddy have a problem
Kind of a sad statement
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Life is not only time……paradoxically, it is the denial of time!
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
I live for the day you and your buddy have a problem
That's the whole point. I have had some problems. I had the dealer take care of them. I have an open issue that I am working on. All things considered I like the truck. I weigh the benefits against the problems and if the problems get too big, I'll get rid of it. It's a truck. It's a bunch of parts. Stuff ( I cleaned that up for you, Tim) breaks. It get's fixed. I don't obsess over it or try to tell everyone who will listen that it is a POC.
I enjoy the exchange of information and ideas here. I like spirited discussion and disagreement. I don't like pointless complaining.
That's the whole point. I have had some problems. I had the dealer take care of them. I have an open issue that I am working on. All things considered I like the truck. I weigh the benefits against the problems and if the problems get too big, I'll get rid of it. It's a truck. It's a bunch of parts. Stuff ( I cleaned that up for you, Tim) breaks. It get's fixed. I don't obsess over it or try to tell everyone who will listen that it is a POC.
I enjoy the exchange of information and ideas here. I like spirited discussion and disagreement. I don't like pointless complaining.
Amen! and Amen!
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I Would Like To Say That It Was The Wrong Thing For Me To Say And I Am Sorry Just Very Fustrated.
I have followed you from day one and you have had your share of problems, however…..it is not like you to fire off ..........a personal thing like that.
Be cool
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Life is not only time……paradoxically, it is the denial of time!
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
Maybe I come across as complaining that is not my goal, the truck has been to 3 different dealers and went though all the steps you and others have recomended, talked to service writer, shop manager and then general manager. always get the same line after going through the process we are not having any problems with any other trucks, try another dealer same thing, if it were not for the big loss of money I would at this point get rid of the truck. for me it is my mobil office and work horse it is not just a toy and so the more time I spend at dealership is that much more money Il loose.
tn mac, there are a lot of lawyers that would like to get a piece of the action. Have you also gone to the general manager of the dealership you bought it from?
Maybe I come across as complaining that is not my goal, the truck has been to 3 different dealers and went though all the steps you and others have recomended, talked to service writer, shop manager and then general manager. always get the same line after going through the process we are not having any problems with any other trucks, try another dealer same thing, if it were not for the big loss of money I would at this point get rid of the truck. for me it is my mobil office and work horse it is not just a toy and so the more time I spend at dealership is that much more money Il loose.
It is the same for me. Messing around with a dealer, trying to get my truck fixed is not an option. Either fix it or talk to my lawyer. I bought my truck to work out of. Any time I have to spend getting it fixed comes out of my pocket. Once the lawyer starts with them, they will pay for that too. Be nice but firm.
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You're both correct from the standpoint that you shouldn't have to get screwed around by the dealer. So far I have a good working relationship with the service manager. The service writers is another story. I will give the dealer time to interface with Ford and get something done. I am running out of patience with the results of the Oct/Dec flashes and the dead silence since then. That is Ford, not the dealer. Does my truck do the job? Yes. Is it what I bought? No, until I upload the Predator program. I shouldn't have to do that. I have had a number of Ford products over the years. Most have been good to excellent. I had a 83 F250 with a 460 that leaked oil like a sieve. I was told by the dealer it had to leak more than a quart in a thousand miles before they considered it a problem. They fixed "all" the leaks. NO BS!
So get a lawyer or whatever it takes to make them fix it.
In the article I found on Ford news release on the 6.0 dated Oct 2002, they said the 6.0 would have 8% increase in fuel economy. 8% over what? Mileage is a tough one when you are talking the Super Duty's.
thats my point, there is no rated mpgs for super duty and the lawyer I talked to said my case would be weak since the truck has never broke down and in his opion my best chance was to try and get ford to fix. the last time it was in they said it failed the fuel consumption test but they were going to have to get ford area rep to give them direction. since they have already replaced every part that was associated with poor fuel economy. Fords support to the dealers is not to good they put in request for rep. to come by then he sets up time to be at dealership and I have to take my truck in and let them see if he can figure it out.
thats my point, there is no rated mpgs for super duty and the lawyer I talked to said my case would be weak since the truck has never broke down and in his opion my best chance was to try and get ford to fix. the last time it was in they said it failed the fuel consumption test but they were going to have to get ford area rep to give them direction. since they have already replaced every part that was associated with poor fuel economy. Fords support to the dealers is not to good they put in request for rep. to come by then he sets up time to be at dealership and I have to take my truck in and let them see if he can figure it out.
The law in Texas says that they get 2 trys to fix it, then you have to take it to another dealer for two trys. Then they have to buy it back or replace it, which ever the judge decides. It sounds like time to start getting them to bite the bullet.
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When the same people continue to complain loudly for months I suspect their motives. I know that I would not suffer any bull from the dealer or Ford for more than a few days without resolution. I just don't have the time to spare.
That's an overly simplistic view of what many of us suffer through. We have a problem, we take it in and they fix it in 1-4 days. We drive it for a while and either the problem re-occurs and/or a new one shows up. Another 1-4 days in the shop. Repeat until you get something that they either can't fix or that meets your state's LL criteria. For me in MN, that means letting them attempt to fix a single problem 4 times or more than 30 days in the shop.
So threatening them with my lawyer would just be inflammatory until it got to some point where I have an actionable claim. Most state LL's pretty much require you to go through the DSB proccess, too. If you choose not to, at least in MN, you're actually giving up some of your rights under the LL.
I understand what you're saying since you make a living out of your truck. I sure am glad I don't have to depend on mine. But it doesn't change the fact that this process can take months or years to work through.
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I suspect that many of these people are unemployed or retired nuts that don't have a life except what they live out on these threads. I suspect many of them don't even own a Ford or a PSD.
I don't believe this for a moment. Is there an occasional troll or bored person that would do something like that? Sure. But "many" of them? No way. This motor is just that problematic. I know guys who own good ones don't want to hear this but that doesn't make it less true.
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If these trucks were as bad as they would lead us to believe and every one took months to resolve, the dealers would be full of them. Next time you go to your dealer, drive around back where they park customer's vehicles. Count the unresolved Ford PSDs.
How would we do that? Do they have signs on them? I wouldn't think the dealers don't hang on the buy backs, anyway. Ford bought it back, not the local guy.
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The thing that makes me mad is that because the web gives them the ability to influence others, they may eventually drive down the value of used PSDs which will then affect all of us, the legitimate owners.
I believe 99.9+% of the folks on this site saying they're 6.0 owners are just that. None of us want's to drive the value of our trucks down but I don't feel it's right to withhold information from folks coming here asking questions, either. Maybe it's going to take declining resale and new sales values/demand to get Ford to finally fix this motor.
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