Not true. I still hear nothing from Ford on fixing the pilot injection. Seems like there's a lot of disgruntled customers over this "bait and switch" Ford pulled. Ford would do well to at least acknowledge this. If nothing else, a simple letter to 6.0 owners stating that they're working the issue. I suspect Ford is keeping silent about this because they have no intention of fixing it, and they're hoping we disgruntled '03 6.0 owners will eventually just forget about it.
As stated, the PI is not broke you cannot fix something that is not broke, they have disabled it.
"Bait and Switch" do you really think that Ford did this intentional…because that is what a bait and switch is about. Again my concern, these blanket statements with no way to back them up.
Bob has witnessed and read what all of us have………….they are fixing problems. YES there is still a FEW, that have big issues……..those are the hanger queens and probably will not be resolved except through by-back.
Mine had an issue it was in the shop for 3 hours back out and is great…..
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Why a person would do this is beyond me. If they do not own a PSD they should not need to post here unless they are answering a general diesel question.
There are a lot of reasons one would do that. The strongest is to follow the money trail. A salesperson for one of the other brands might do that to capitalize on spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. One might just be out to cause trouble (ever hear of vandalism?). One might want to get revenge for a perceived wrongdoing by Ford or one of it's dealers. People do wierd stuff sometimes for reasons and sometimes just for grins.
"The strongest is to follow the money trail" one of the oldest ways of finding someone hiding under a rock. Seems they can never crawl out..............to be seen
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As stated, the PI is not broke you cannot fix something that is not broke, they have disabled it.
I'm not following. From the users perspective, what's the difference between "broke" and "disabled"?
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"Bait and Switch" do you really think that Ford did this intentional…because that is what a bait and switch is about. Again my concern, these blanket statements with no way to back them up.
Tim, no Ford did not do this intentionally. They just screwed up, pure and simple. In my case, we looked at all truck brands before buying. One of the prime factors in our decision to buy Ford was the quiet, smooth operation. We bought in January, then within weeks it was in for warranty repair and PI was disabled. In my book, this fits the description of "bait and switch". Ford could have instructed dealers to inform potential buyers of non-flashed trucks about this problem. Instead, the dealers continued to tout the features of PI long after the mandetory disabling flash was out (at least, the 2 dealers I dealt with did).
What was wrong with the PI that caused them to disable it? Was the computer not injecting the fuel at the right time? Or was it that some worked and some did not and they did not know why?
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i'm sorry but why should i have to go back to the dealer 10 or more times to get my truck fix do you guys listen to your selves its a brand new 45,000 dollar truck it should not need to go back for any kind of fixxing this my 3rd ford truck and the first one i ever had to bring back more then once to get the small things you find with a new truck or car witch is fine but i also have had dodges and chevs and with all my trucks over the years i have never had junk like this and if ford was working with me to fix it i would say fine but they fight you every step and that is what makes ford the truck that is the losser in the bunch and after all this i have not even gotten to the bait and switch yet this truck sounds like my old 7.3 and the 7.3 got 14.5 mpg and never had more then one or two days in the dealer for small stuff as far as i can see ford just made it to the bottom of the what to buy list and it will take a long time for me to ever think about buying a ford any thing again (just my very long two cents)
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Yes I have one big problem with my truck no mpgs, they cant figure out what to do with the truck. first went though 3 dealerships before found one that had a clue it should get better then 6.0 in the city empty and 12.0 on the hwy empty.Finally foumd good dealer and they have replaced just about every part related to the engine and fuel mpgs but still cant get any mpgs and ford doesnt know what to do. so I LEAVE THE TRUCK WITH THEM AND THEY TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT. and loose a truck from my business so I loose even more money. they dont have 350 loaners and since my truck has never broke down they wont even send me DSB paperwork.
I'm not following. From the users perspective, what's the difference between "broke" and "disabled"?
Good question. I didn't get that, either. It's broken as far as I'm concerned.
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Tim, no Ford did not do this intentionally. They just screwed up, pure and simple. In my case, we looked at all truck brands before buying. One of the prime factors in our decision to buy Ford was the quiet, smooth operation. We bought in January, then within weeks it was in for warranty repair and PI was disabled. In my book, this fits the description of "bait and switch".
Mine, too. How would it be if you bought a computer, took it in for a minor problem and had it come back making a loud buzz all the time? But it's okay because that's the "new normal". Oh, and by the way, it's processor was slowed down, too. And it uses more electricity.
i'm sorry but why should i have to go back to the dealer 10 or more times to get my truck fix do you guys listen to your selves its a brand new 45,000 dollar truck it should not need to go back for any kind of fixxing this my 3rd ford truck and the first one i ever had to bring back more then once to get the small things you find with a new truck or car witch is fine but i also have had dodges and chevs and with all my trucks over the years i have never had junk like this and if ford was working with me to fix it i would say fine but they fight you every step and that is what makes ford the truck that is the losser in the bunch and after all this i have not even gotten to the bait and switch yet this truck sounds like my old 7.3 and the 7.3 got 14.5 mpg and never had more then one or two days in the dealer for small stuff as far as i can see ford just made it to the bottom of the what to buy list and it will take a long time for me to ever think about buying a ford any thing again (just my very long two cents)
You really should hear yourself. We sympathize with you but the rant does nothing for us. If you are that mad, why don't you trade it for a Dodge? There are plenty of dealers that will give you pennies on the dollar. The fact remains that if you are to get you're money's worth, you will have to fight to get it fixed or replaced. It's not that Ford picked you personally to screw. It is nothing personal, S*** happens.
Now you may be mad at me too but if I was out of control and getting nowhere, I'd like to think that someone would take his time to give me some perspective. If it was me, they would never hear the end of it til they made it right. I hope you will cop that attitude and make war on them.
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From what I have seen, Pilot Injection is an idea that didn't work and Ford seems to have given up on.
I agree. But don't you think something is wrong with that when GM/Izuzu and Dodge/Cummins can get it right but Ford/Navstar can't? But, more to the point, they advertised a quiet truck, which I bought. I'd have never bought the loud truck I have now after owning a very quiet dmax. I've been ripped off, IMO.
Still, trends are easy enough to spot. In the last couple of months, there have been a noticeable change in the number of people with new complaints and people with trucks not fixed. I can only conclude that the product that Ford is putting out is better and the mechanics learning curve is starting to catch up with the problems.
Again, I agree. I do think things are slowly getting better. But there are still many more problems than there should be for an almost 2 year old motor. And with turning PI off, it just shouts that Ford really has no idea how to get this motor right.
thanks for the sympaphy guy and yes my dodge is on its way and i have the paper work to file to get ford to give me my $45,000 back and i'll pay off my new dodge and have some cash left over to put a down payment on a new dodge for my wife i have been talking to ford till i'm blue in the face i'm on my 4th dealer LA.,FL.,NY.and back to LA. and i have had ford rep.s there three times and all they say is (they can't fix it ) that tells me all they want is my cash then i can swing if i need it fixxed sorry but thats not how you win me back for my next truck and i buy a new truck every 2or3 years and i'm sorry if i'm mad i think i have the right to be and i thought this was the place for someone like me to tell all whats going on with my trucks was i wrong!!!!
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I agree. But don't you think something is wrong with that when GM/Izuzu and Dodge/Cummins can get it right but Ford/Navstar can't? But, more to the point, they advertised a quiet truck, which I bought. I'd have never bought the loud truck I have now after owning a very quiet dmax. I've been ripped off, IMO.
If you can't get it fixed, get a lawyer, trade for a Dodge, whatever..
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I agree. But don't you think something is wrong with that when GM/Izuzu and Dodge/Cummins can get it right but Ford/Navstar can't? But, more to the point, they advertised a quiet truck, which I bought. I'd have never bought the loud truck I have now after owning a very quiet dmax. I've been ripped off, IMO.
And I ask one more time, somebody show me the advertisement, news release or document that claims the quietness.
Just a quick thought. Are we as consumers/manufacturers getting so technologically advanced that trucks such as these are unable to satisfy the masses on such a quick time table? We demand more power, more torq., and every year each one of the big 3 try to out do each other. Do we as consumers actually allow them time to do the neccesary R&D that it would take to make a perfect vehicle?
On a side note, my 04/04 is noticably louder at idle than my father-in-laws Duramax. Does it bother me? Heck no.
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sorry but thats not how you win me back for my next truck and i buy a new truck every 2or3 years and i'm sorry if i'm mad 
i think i have the right to be and i thought this was the place for someone like me to tell all whats going on with my trucks 
was i wrong!!!! 
