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Old 05-06-2004, 12:32 PM
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Need help with an OBD II CODE

My 2000 Ranger is storing a P0176 Code anybody have this problem.
   
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Welcome to FTE! Your truck must be a 3.0L FFV.

P0176 = Flexible Fuel (FF) Sensor Circuit Malfunction

Possible causes:

l Open or short in FF sensor VPWR circuit
l Open in battery ground to FF sensor circuit
l Open in FF sensor signal circuit
l Short to ground in FF sensor signal circuit
l Fuel contamination
l Short to VPWR in FF sensor battery ground circuit
l Short to VPWR in FF sensor signal circuit
l Fuel separation
l Damaged FF sensor
l Damaged PCM

See also,

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/sh...threadid=29546
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Old 05-06-2004, 04:46 PM
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Thanks for your help Rockledge
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Guess piece of black tape over Check Engine Light... What happens if I just unplug it.?
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Guess piece of black tape over Check Engine Light... What happens if I just unplug it.?
I don't really know. My guess is that you would be OK. The flex fuel sensor generates a signal with a frequency that depends on the amount (%) of ethanol in the fuel. The more ethanol, the higher the signal's frequency. I would assume that an unplugged sensor would generate no frequency, as if there is no ethanol in the fuel. I've never heard of a "failure mode" for the flex fuel sensor, so that's why I would assume that the PCM would treat the situation like that.

I'm just hypothesizing here, though, so don't go relying on what I'm saying without reading or hearing more on the subject.
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Mine did I scanned it came up with Code P0176 twice
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Silly they put that on a Ranger anyways .. But thanks for the help
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A DTC is set when the signal falls outside the minimum or maximum range so the PCM is expecting a signal, no signal = CEL and a fault mode.
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DO NOT unplug that sensor. I had the same exact problem with my truck and unplugging the sensor causes the truck to stall at random.

I found this out a couple weeks ago when my 1999 Ranger XLT decided to stalled on me (and about every mile or so thereafter). When I diagnosed it, the code P0176 came up so I decided to do some investigating. It turns out that the flex fuel sensor is mounted directly underneath your driver's seat in the left frame rail. This sensor connects to a wire harness that mounts to the frame rail on a plastic bracket. Somehow something must have kicked up and hit mine because the bracket was broken causing the connector for the flex fuel sensor to become disconnected. Long story short, I plugged it back in and the truck ran fine for a week. 3 days ago though, the MIL light came back on...flex fuel sensor malfunction. I figure that the intermittent connection of the loose cable caused the sensor to fail after all. This is normal for any electronic device, try unplugging and plugging in a computer very rapidly for about a minute and you will see what I mean. Now that the faulty sensor is actually plugged in my truck runs fine BUT the MIL light is driving me nuts. I am working on a way to replace this sensor without paying the $454.00 list (that's rediculous). A simple microcontroller should do the trick for MUCH cheaper if I generate a fixed frequency. A friend of mine provided me with the proper frequency table so the plan is to fix it at a good one and go about my business. Hope this helps...good luck.
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DO NOT unplug that sensor. I had the same exact problem with my truck and unplugging the sensor causes the truck to stall at random.

I found this out a couple weeks ago when my 1999 Ranger XLT decided to stalled on me (and about every mile or so thereafter). When I diagnosed it, the code P0176 came up so I decided to do some investigating. It turns out that the flex fuel sensor is mounted directly underneath your driver's seat in the left frame rail. This sensor connects to a wire harness that mounts to the frame rail on a plastic bracket. Somehow something must have kicked up and hit mine because the bracket was broken causing the connector for the flex fuel sensor to become disconnected. Long story short, I plugged it back in and the truck ran fine for a week. 3 days ago though, the MIL light came back on...flex fuel sensor malfunction. I figure that the intermittent connection of the loose cable caused the sensor to fail after all. This is normal for any electronic device, try unplugging and plugging in a computer very rapidly for about a minute and you will see what I mean. Now that the faulty sensor is actually plugged in my truck runs fine BUT the MIL light is driving me nuts. I am working on a way to replace this sensor without paying the $454.00 list (that's rediculous). A simple microcontroller should do the trick for MUCH cheaper if I generate a fixed frequency. A friend of mine provided me with the proper frequency table so the plan is to fix it at a good one and go about my business. Hope this helps...good luck.
Good stuff BiG_AnT. Thanks for passing along the info, and welcome to FTE!

Let us know how the microcontroller mod works out.
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As I put on the other thread, this forum was just what I needed.

Could anyone point me in the direction of where to buy this dumb thing for under $500.00?
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"E Bay" for a new sensor, the salvage yard for a low mileae used one, might be a good places to begin looking.
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