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Old 01-11-2004, 02:28 PM
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The 5.9 very comparible in street form as far as performance. However, it has proved that it can be tuned to smoke a lot of performance sports cars which the PSD light duty engine it is not capable of handing the level of performance the cummings can generate]
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Another thing, I6 vs V8. 25% less moving parts]
cummins guys always use this one, having "25% less moving parts" does not ]necessarily mean that the engine is better
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if the engine pushes the the same or more torque and HP with 25% less moving parts it means it will get better mileage which means its a better engine for the dollar, especially in the case of the cummins where it has been proven to last longer
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Also, 25% fewer moving parts means 25% less chance of breaking down on the job. Yet another advantage of the Cummins.
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sorry to go off topic a bit but i have to say this. rancherman84
, isuzu has been making diesles whith aluminum and alloy heads for 20+ years whith the 2.2L and the 2.8L TD. How many isuzus do you see on the side of the road broken down, that alone should atest to the fact that Isuzu knows what its doing.
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mepr, really tho, there are no isuzu truck on the road to break down, the people who consider buying isuzu's usually end up buying a UD, Hino or Iveco lmao

The duramax is fine, its old news
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Wrong again. The 6.0L PSD (VT-365) was in International Medium Duty trucks 2 years prior to being introduced in the Ford SD lineup.

Did I say anything about the 6.0 liter engine? I believe you missed quoted me again.
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Big question is, who will eventually win in the hp and tq war. Cummins just retunes to up the HP. International redesigns.

I'll put my money on the Cummins. We have already seen it run 10.8 in the 1/4 mile. That was the 12 valve engine at that. Wonder what kind of HP and TQ it takes to do that?

As far as inline vs V-8. Take a look at the majority of large CI industrial diesels. What configuration are they?

Pop the hood on the PSD and pop a hood on the Dodge with a Cummins. Tell me again the advantages of the V-8 vs I6.

The only thing PSD has going for right now is that the Cummins, Dodge relationship maybe coming to an end after 5 years. Look for ford to move in and start using the Cummins, then your questions will be answered.
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How's this??

This is a pretty good argument for the Cummins. Even many Ford PS owners admit that they would like to have a Cummins in their trucks.

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what that picture fails to mention is that ford rod is made of powdered sintered metal and is stronger than a forging, so its high tensile strenght than the cummins and has quite a bit less rotating mass, I havent heard of any rod issues........everyone I know with a 7.3 psd loves it and dont know and 6.0 owners and dont know any cummins owners

Im sure the 6.0 is less heavy duty than the 7.3 and i wonder what the 7.3 rod looks like, got any pics? does the 6.0 have a longer stroke than a straight 6 cummins? the rod sure is longer
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www.fordcummins.com has a similar picture with a Cummins, 7.3, and 6.5 Chevy. The 7.3 and 6.0 rods are similar in size. The rod does illustrate how much larger the Cummins crankshaft is.
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Actually the bottom end in 6.0's are stronger than its 7.3L predecessor. The engineer showed me how technology has improved the metals strength and quality. I even asked him what he thought about the Cummins, he said it was great for larger trucks (Medium duty, F-650-750, C6500-8500), but for pickups he said once they get the 6.0L perfected, it would be the best pickup engine, being that its lighter and better suited for highway driving without the fear of being overrun by other vehicles.
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I know that sintered metal is strong as fugg and its gonna be in widespread use in the auto industry very soon, same as aluminum castings
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Why yes I do have a picture of the 7.3 rods:

Click the image to open in full size.

Oh, and by the way...powdered metal rods are actually weaker. there was rumor of Cummins going to powdered rods, but they did not at the present time due to lack of strength.
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Metaldyne’s material development has resulted in Connecting Rods that meet or exceed the strength of forged steel at a lower total cost

Through the use of new manufacturing processes, Metaldyne is able to offer superior weight and metallurgical control

Chrysler uses them in them in the gas engines, you a cummins fan or a dodge fan ? It all comes back to the same statement, dodge drivers bought a motor, the rest of the truck doesnt matter
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