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Old 05-05-2014, 08:46 PM
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The funny thing is international has a straight 6 that is the same displacement as the cummings and its capible of alot more power out of the box. Reason they aremt popular? They werent offered in a pickup and iirc the truck pulling classes limit the engine to what was in a production truck. Which puts it in a unlimited class where other larger engines like the dt466 would swallow them up
HAD, had, no more.
Wish they still made the dt360, but I guess they didn't see the market.
I suppose the dt466's and up covered the bigger trucks, and I guess the smaller trucks they must have though the v8's were a better bet.
IMHO the wet sleeve design is a huge advantage over the cummins, and I don't doubt that if ford used dt360's in all the f250's and larger, they would have sold even more than they did with 7.3's in them.

Maybe instead of having 7.3's in all the pickups, f250 - 550, and the cummins in the f650+, they should have kept the f250 with the 7.3, and dt360's in the f350 + trucks. I bet that would have worked out a lot better.
That way you could have an engine choice in the pickups, and they'd still only have 2 diesel options.

A cool thing about the dt360 is that it's got an even stronger stroke to bore ratio than the cummins, so TQ is super high compared to HP, I believe it was 2.5 times or so.

I want to put a dt360 or dt466 in an f350.
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I would love to have one in a superduty. A guy on the nation put together a dt360 with twins in his truck and it is a towing monster. Ford in the early 80's pushed navistar for a v8 motor instead of a i6. They wanted a wider powerband out of the motor and also thought that the truck buyers would see the i-6 diesel option as a step down from a large cubic inch v8. So a large cubic in diesel was used. It wasnt untill they put a turbo on them that they staryed to dominate the heavyduty pick up class.
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I would love to have one in a superduty. A guy on the nation put together a dt360 with twins in his truck and it is a towing monster. Ford in the early 80's pushed navistar for a v8 motor instead of a i6. They wanted a wider powerband out of the motor and also thought that the truck buyers would see the i-6 diesel option as a step down from a large cubic inch v8. So a large cubic in diesel was used. It wasnt untill they put a turbo on them that they staryed to dominate the heavyduty pick up class.
Yes thats what I heard; back in the day, the I6 engine had peaky TQ, and sounded like tractors.
Of course now with electronic engines, an I6 or V8 can have whatever TQ curve you program into it.

I wanted to use a 2008-2010 f350, but it might be a lot easier to do a 03-07 with a blown 6.0, which pop up from time to time.
I was going to do a dt466, but the oil pan was an issue, didn't want a massive poor MPG truck sitting up in the air.... so thought maybe a dt466 with custom oil pan, or dry sump.
Also wanted to use bigger axles and 6 speed manual trans.

There is a guy down the road with a running dt360 and 6 speed trans bolted on, and it's been tempting me lately. The dt360's fit rather well, and you can still get decent power out of them. I think "pipewhiner" built a 600 hp one, which is nothing to laugh at cause it probably has 1400 ft/lbs of TQ.
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Whem I lived in san antonio a couple of years back truck source diesel had a superduty on rockwell axles with a dt466. It had at least 44 inch tires probably larger. They had issues breaking axles shafts in the truck when they did burn outs
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Whem I lived in san antonio a couple of years back truck source diesel had a superduty on rockwell axles with a dt466. It had at least 44 inch tires probably larger. They had issues breaking axles shafts in the truck when they did burn outs
I believe it, thats the problem with DT engines.
If you're a diesel addict, or enthusiast, you most likely always want more more more more power.
A DT engine is capable of making enough power that you'd spend the rest of your life replacing driveline parts.
Thats why I'm aiming somewhere 400 - 600 hp. Nothing crazy.
Thats probably already into the 1300 - 1500 ft/lbs range.

I don't have money to build a 2500 HP truck with all custom 1-off parts, it would take a fortune to make it daily driver friendly and reliable.
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Actually even the word "hype" is silly......hype suggests its not real.....the original first and early second Gens had 160 Hp, not 190 stock. And logically since these engines might well be 20-25 years old, its hardly a shock that some of these have racked up 500,000+ miles...........Ive got 103,000 miles on my 07 5.9, the only thing ive had fail was a water pump froze up at around 85,000 miles, tossed the serpentine belt. I shut 'er off, called AAA, had it towed to the dealership. I know plenty of people who have gone 200,000+ plus with the 24V and HO 5.9's without any big issues
Interesting my water pump failed right about the same time. I didn't buy the truck because it was a Dodge. I bought the truck for the engine that was in it. I have worked on the V903 series of Cummings and found it to be an excellent engine. When I bought my 2006 I had heard that Ford and International were fighting on warranty claims, thats what drove me away from Ford. I knew the 7.3 was a solid engine in the Ford trucks, but the newer ones were having problems. Chevy was coming out with the Duramax and I didn't want to deal with a new engine, and it's problem that would arise.
I have 6.0L in my 2001 F550 Wildland Fire truck and have never had an issue, other than the radiator system getting clogged up with dirt that was easily fixed with a pressure washer. I'm not a fan of automatics, have always liked standard transmissions.

So I guess what I'm saying it all truck makers have made the wise decision to purchase their truck engines from reliable diesel companies. These engine manufactures with years of research and dollars spent I think have made some great engines. Yes, after making some mistakes, but corrected and moved forward with improved designs.

Make is a choice, diesel is in the blood.
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Id love tons of power but it gets expensive. For me I want the most reliable power I can get in a solid truck. My 6.0 experiemce has been good so far and more favorible that my dodge experience since I have the same model year dodge as a work truck as my personal truck. The fuel mpg isnt better first off and the transmission in the dodge leave me worried and wanting a torque shift that my truck has or a manual. Neither truck has has engine problems in the 100 k on the powerstroke only an alternator. The dodge is at 130k with unit bearing failures and electrical issues as well as a new ac compressor. Not really all that uncommon I dont think
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I wanted to use a 2008-2010 f350, but it might be a lot easier to do a 03-07 with a blown 6.0, which pop up from time to time.
I was going to do a dt466, but the oil pan was an issue, didn't want a massive poor MPG truck sitting up in the air.... so thought maybe a dt466 with custom oil pan, or dry sump.
Also wanted to use bigger axles and 6 speed manual trans.
The DT466 in our 4 door international that weighs 11,000 lbs empty gets 14 -15 mpg running 70 to 80 MPH. It turns about 1600 RPM at 70 MPH. That was with the timing at 14*. I haven't been able to try it since I turned up the pump and bumped the timing as the tranny is now shot. Imagine that.
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