Liberals vs. conservatives
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I think a lot of people treat the labels "conservative" and "liberal" the same way they treat their favorite sports team. It gives them a sense of belonging and someone to root for. You'd be hard pressed to convert a New York Giants fan into a Dallas Cowboys fan, even if they swapped their entire rosters and coaching staffs. "C" vs. "L" seems like a similar vibe--a "my label, right or wrong" kind of thing.
More to the point, if a Democratic president had been elected in 2000 and had done everything that Bush has done to date--excepting the Patriot Act, of course--how much do you want to bet that Rush Limbaugh and a flotilla of conservatives would be screaming right now about how the president is doing a lousy job with the economy, was responsible for 9/11 because it happened on his watch, and is a wimp because he doesn't have the cajones to take on North Korea?
More to the point, if a Democratic president had been elected in 2000 and had done everything that Bush has done to date--excepting the Patriot Act, of course--how much do you want to bet that Rush Limbaugh and a flotilla of conservatives would be screaming right now about how the president is doing a lousy job with the economy, was responsible for 9/11 because it happened on his watch, and is a wimp because he doesn't have the cajones to take on North Korea?
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Earlier, I considered myself a conservative. I liked Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh and basically the rest of the conservative contingent on the political scene. I was, and still am, anti-abortion, pro-second amendment rights, against trade with commie countries et cetera.
Now after hanging out with that crowd for the last 10 years, it has occured to me that I don't really identify with them very much, and that I don't really believe in their de facto agenda. By the very definition of the term, conservatives want to "conserve" status quo. They are status quo, and no matter how much National Right to Life et al, claims to hate "pro-choice", they are in fact a part of the problem. Their methods are ineffective. Their understanding of the problem is shallow, incomplete and lacking depth and scope. The same can be said of the NRA and other "conservative" groups.
I think what I am trying to say is that conservatives have never been a catalyst of change in the 20th century. Ultimately, they support status quo, and prefer things just the way they are now.
I am just as deeply disappointed with the "Religious Right". It, as a movement, is neutralized because I think when all is said and done, they are not effective and they don't manifest their mission here on earth. Jesus this and Jesus that while the world falls apart.
No, the real progress since the beginning of time has been caused by Liberals. They are unrestricted by conventional thinking methods, they don't think inside the box. If any progress will occur in our society, it will come from Liberals. They don't believe in God, at least not in the same way that "Christians" do. They don't wait for God to save them, they save themselves.
Conservatism is a dead-end and stagnation. If you like progressive taxation, Roe vs. Wade, gun control, a zillion foreign wars, just keep voting Republican.
There are of course many flavors of Liberalism. Current liberalism isn't liberalism. It is radical leftism and really on the same side of the spectrum as conservatives. Classical liberalism of 18th century would put one in the right-wing section without losing one's potential for change. All liberalism causes change, but certainly no all of it is good.
Now after hanging out with that crowd for the last 10 years, it has occured to me that I don't really identify with them very much, and that I don't really believe in their de facto agenda. By the very definition of the term, conservatives want to "conserve" status quo. They are status quo, and no matter how much National Right to Life et al, claims to hate "pro-choice", they are in fact a part of the problem. Their methods are ineffective. Their understanding of the problem is shallow, incomplete and lacking depth and scope. The same can be said of the NRA and other "conservative" groups.
I think what I am trying to say is that conservatives have never been a catalyst of change in the 20th century. Ultimately, they support status quo, and prefer things just the way they are now.
I am just as deeply disappointed with the "Religious Right". It, as a movement, is neutralized because I think when all is said and done, they are not effective and they don't manifest their mission here on earth. Jesus this and Jesus that while the world falls apart.
No, the real progress since the beginning of time has been caused by Liberals. They are unrestricted by conventional thinking methods, they don't think inside the box. If any progress will occur in our society, it will come from Liberals. They don't believe in God, at least not in the same way that "Christians" do. They don't wait for God to save them, they save themselves.
Conservatism is a dead-end and stagnation. If you like progressive taxation, Roe vs. Wade, gun control, a zillion foreign wars, just keep voting Republican.
There are of course many flavors of Liberalism. Current liberalism isn't liberalism. It is radical leftism and really on the same side of the spectrum as conservatives. Classical liberalism of 18th century would put one in the right-wing section without losing one's potential for change. All liberalism causes change, but certainly no all of it is good.
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