super charger or turbo?
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Originally posted by HeavyAssault
Upon reading about the KB/Whipple style, I would have to say I perfer the low end tq over the turbo lag. Why wait to build boost when I can hammer down for (almost) instant power.
Upon reading about the KB/Whipple style, I would have to say I perfer the low end tq over the turbo lag. Why wait to build boost when I can hammer down for (almost) instant power.
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Better let Peterbuilt in on this Justin! Obviously we are talking gasoline powered pickup engines here. A small turbo on a V8 could have you at 6psi by 1500rpm. You wouldn't be getting big boost numbers but it would be much more efficient and work just as well as a small supercharger. My cougar with the 2.3L was getting full boost (14psi) at 2750rpm. Not bad for a little 4 banger. I think the same turbo would be great on a 300I6 or a 302.
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TURBO ALL THE WAY!
a centrifugal supercharger takes in the neighborhood of 40-70hp to spin at high rpm (40,000-60,000 impeller rpm), a turbo, well the backpressure it adds to a system, which is different in every app, usually costs in the range of 5-12hp at full bost, thus full backpressure....not to mention, its always there as a result of LOAD, not rpm....assuming it's sized correctly......i had a vortech S-trim on my 02gt, spinning to 10 psi, it laid down 408rwhp, and 377ftlbs at the rear wheels on pump gas.....those figures with a turbo, properly sized, and installed, should have been about 450-480hp, and 500-600ftlbs of torque, both at the wheels....with about 200+ ftlbs at ~3000-3500 rpm! thats a difference you can certainly feel.
anyhoo, my thoughts. since i now finally have a turbocharged vehicle, all the others suck :P
a centrifugal supercharger takes in the neighborhood of 40-70hp to spin at high rpm (40,000-60,000 impeller rpm), a turbo, well the backpressure it adds to a system, which is different in every app, usually costs in the range of 5-12hp at full bost, thus full backpressure....not to mention, its always there as a result of LOAD, not rpm....assuming it's sized correctly......i had a vortech S-trim on my 02gt, spinning to 10 psi, it laid down 408rwhp, and 377ftlbs at the rear wheels on pump gas.....those figures with a turbo, properly sized, and installed, should have been about 450-480hp, and 500-600ftlbs of torque, both at the wheels....with about 200+ ftlbs at ~3000-3500 rpm! thats a difference you can certainly feel.
anyhoo, my thoughts. since i now finally have a turbocharged vehicle, all the others suck :P
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There is no clear cut on which is better between a turbo and a supercharger. If you really want to get technical a turbocharger is nothing more than a gas driven supercharger. For tuning a positive displacement supercharger is the best. Instantaneous boost response, longevity, and flat torque curve are properties that are well suited for trucks, but do generate a lot more heat than turbos or cent. s/c's which limits there ability to generate high boost. Centrifugal superchargers are kind of the in between.....easy to install and tune, can make fairly high boost, lower temperature of charge air, can't make the same peak as a turbo is able too...(rpms run 60,000 or so while turbos can see 100,000+ rpm) and usually don't have the lifespan of a positive displacement. Turbos are the most intensive ot install, harder to tune, but can yield the greatest results. Modern ball-bearing turbos can spool up very quickly with little lag.....as earlier stated the size of the turbo is what will determine the lag/max output. Can also get fancy with twin turbos to eliminate lag and still have high hp figures....not quite as high as running a single very big turbo though. Plumbing for turbos is the hard part having to make custom headers, piping, intercooler, BOV, by-pass valves, ect.
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I am personally a big fan of the supercharger for reasons already said.
Furthermore I like the effects of a good jet engine as well. Homebuilt of course.
But then again there's video's like this one and I can't help but like twin turbo's!!!!!Now I can say i seen a car smokem on a dyno!
Furthermore I like the effects of a good jet engine as well. Homebuilt of course.
But then again there's video's like this one and I can't help but like twin turbo's!!!!!Now I can say i seen a car smokem on a dyno!
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Originally posted by BVFD1983
If there were a setup for the 3.0, I would buy a centrifugal. But since my dad might give me his 01 F150 4.6, I might wait until then (and I start working) to mod anything. Not sure though, I hate the 3.0.
If there were a setup for the 3.0, I would buy a centrifugal. But since my dad might give me his 01 F150 4.6, I might wait until then (and I start working) to mod anything. Not sure though, I hate the 3.0.
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a mechanic and i are putting in a 330xd motor in place of my 390 the 330xd makes it torque and horsepower at a lower rpm the compression ratio is 7.6 i want to put in twin turbos for more horsepower to pull the weight that i haul and tow. to build my 390 to get 450hp will cost 6500.00 hot rod magazine built one back in january 2003 but in order to get 200hp it cost too much