I understand that, but it makes you wonder why its taking so long to come out, plus Dodge already has an engine to counter with the 4.7HO if need be. Ford NEEDS the F150 to do well, it is depending on it, so you would think that they would have that engine out already rather than a carry over. Its the best selling vehicle in america (Maybe the world?).

 

Sorry, ford already put a car engine int their trucks. it is called the 4.6.

I Own an F250SD with the 2V 5.4, so I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't like it, but seriously, the engine has no advantage whatsoever on the hemi. I hear all this about the 5.4 being the low end beast, showing how much torque it has at low, rpm, but MY 5.4 certainly feels alot stronger at high RPM. I would venture to say that my old 300 I6 felt stronger below 2000 RPM.

Realisticlly, do you really think a 2 ft pound diffreence will make that much of a difference between the the hemi and 5.4? I could get out and push and make up for 2 ft/lb.

 

Hers' my opinion. Ford has had time to see what the Hemi is capable of. If they wanted to tune the 5.4 to peak at a higher RPM giving it more HP, it would have taken little more than a cam and timing change. They already have built a N/A 5.4 that got 385 HP and 385 ft-lbs, but it was in a Mustang where it belongs. The new 3V is made to shine in the low RPM's, supposedly having a flat torque curve. I haven't seen it so I have no proof as to how flat it is, but if they're advertising it to be albe to pull with the Hemi it better be able to compete or Ford will look like fools. If you haven't read Kens article about the 04 F150, you should. I can't wait till the major magazines get a chance to compare it to the competition. I think some of you with doubts about it will be impressed.
BigBlue, you are right it would have been nice to see the 3V 4.6 right away. I'm guessing it has to do with wanting to get the 5.4 done right first since that is, I believe, the most popular engine, and the fact that they are still producing the caryover model as the Heritage line. It would not have been cost affective to offer 2 different 4.6's in their 1/2 ton line. Ford isn't exactly doing the best financially right now. Also remember that it took Dodge a year to get the Hemi into the new Rams. I'd like to know the numbers of the 3v 4.6. I would expect at least 260 HP and 305 ft-lbs based on the percent increases of the 5.4. Regaurdless of who has the best and strongest, you've gotta love what the tough competition has done for the truck market.

 

just my two cents but here it is.

a friend of mine bought an 04 F-150 with the 3v 5.4 and I took it for a drive and loved it. recently my 92 nite got rear ended and while it was in the body shop we got an 04 ram with the 5.7 hemi, and just from the seat of my pants it felt like the ford kept pulling hard as where the dodge seemed to drop off quick. The only thing I really liked about the dodge was the exhaust tone, it was a little meanier than the fords.

 

well i can't wait to see specs, and a comparison of the hemi and 3V 5.4. but one thing to remember is where the power matters most... at the road. and in this magazine here it shows some pretty amazing differences in drive train technology between the 4 (at the time) full-size pickups. now this test was done in 1999 by truck trend magazine, and ford is using the 5.4 2valve, and dodge the OHC 5.9... in this test, ford really has them all beat with their transmission & drivetrain. take notice of the significant advantage ford has on everyone else (at the time) and maybe thats the gain the ford with the 3V has on dodge today... in the transmission & driveline... here are the PEAK HP number at the wheels of all 4 trucks.. & 1000rpm numbers.. but if you want the rest im scanning the pic later from the atricle.. because i dont feel like typeing the hp & torque of 4 trucks.. right now.. lol.. well ne ways heres the numbers..

max @ THE WHEELS

hp/tq

ford 5.4 2v - 186.0@4250/249.6@3500
dodge 5.9 - 160.4@4250/219.0@3500
chevy 5.3 - 173.1@5000/198.0@2750
toyota 4.7 - 168.1@5000/201.5@3500
look at the gains ford has in torque over competition...
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now heres the 1000rpm #'s... suprisingly low...

tq/hp

ford 5.4 2v - 85.7/21.9
dodge 5.9 - 20.7/5.9
chevy 5.3 - 17.6/5.0
toyota 4.7 - 65.2/20.0
strange how the ohc-ers (ford/toyota) have higher low end numbers.. ??????

But what this is getting at is driveline technology.. and this is just to further emphasize the Thaught that maybe it is true the 3v triton could out-tow the hemi despite the 45hp 10ftlb differance and the ohc technology... it sure did well in this test... what'll it do now.. all we can do is wait and see.. (i doubted the ford would win, i was shocked when i heard about the commercial, up until i remembered this october 1999 issue of truck trend magazine...

 

Well, until we can actually get ahold of the ##'s, this is pretty much

 

what i mean by the rest... is 2000rpm, 3000rpm, 4000rpm, and 5000rpm #'s...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tstpnb
[B]if you call this engine a performance shortage, and ford's hemiroid, then what would you call the last 5.4 which was named the worlds best engine for several years running???

I believe he meant to say that it has been voted one of the world's 10 best.

Link to article on being 10 best.

http://www.cartrackers.com/Buyers_Gu...3015101.1.html

WigWag

 

yeah by car trackers and it said that they are nominated on smoothness, and less is more, it didn't say anything about reliability. Plus who is car trackers? I'd rather listen to J.D.Power& Associates- they have a little more credibility

 

What you have to remember is that the Hemi is more of a marketing tool then anything else. Most of todays modern engines all have a hemispherical combustion chamber(or something real close) which makes the Hemi name a good marketing tool, not a better engine!

 

yeah my dad when he first heard the word "hemi" it made him think of his favorite days of the automobile, when you could fix em all yourself. back in the old days. and i think it musta sparked sumthin in his head, lol.. because now he wants one, and hes a money saver, he'd never want to buy more gas than he wants to. something makes him not even think about that in this case. hes 53 and hes not so into speed anymore. the word hemi must make him think its more like the cars that he likes... he shocked me w/that one. he wants that or an 04 F-150 dark toreador red. im pushin him more toward the 04 F-150. i know he'll want one once i show him the interior. thats enough to have me sold on one alone, even if it had the 4.6. so what i drive a 4.6 every day. good enough motor for me. i dunno, maybe not.. the new fords are 5oolb. heavyer right?

 

This is the 2003 report. I believe yours said 2001. I'd like to see what the report says next year however, now that the 3v 5.4 is out.

http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/Mic...=1004&srtype=1

 

I agree. Sometimes I think you could slap a chrome "Hemi" decal on a riding lawn mower and the Dodge cheerleaders would blindly buy them in droves and swear they can out-accelerate a Corvette!

I can almost see it; "Hey my Hemi riding mower can mow an acre faster than your pos Briggs & Stratton!".

 

the "hemi" probably makes some descent power, who cares. it comes in a butt-ugly" truck". if dodge really wants to exploit their past glorys why not build (and actually sell) a retro hemi-charger or hemi cuda. (plymouth, same thing). kind of like FORD is doing with the new mustang. i bet the reason they put the v-10 in the str is becouse there's no way they could ever get the hemi to put out like the s/c 5.4.(lightnings rule!).

 

yeah i know 2 guys that have 4.7's that baught chrome "hemi" emblems to go on the front fenders... i think they'r crazy, lol... and to be honest with ya.. i dont think since the hemi's been out ive seen a ram that didnt say "hemi" on it.. sumtimes i wonder if they'r all real.. but i doubt that many people would have the same idea...