I miss Auto 4WD...using 4x4 High
#31
There have been a few threads from guys that have blown up transfer cases. I think the common theme was driving high speed 65-75 on the highway on dry pavement with 4H engaged. I also think it was older trucks (05-08 -ish era). But there haven't been that many.
I try not to engage or disengage mine at highway speed, and I always lift my foot all the way off the gas first, to take any torque load off the driveline. And I don't engage or disengage while turning. Occasionally I'll hear a "clunk", but not most of the time.
I try not to engage or disengage mine at highway speed, and I always lift my foot all the way off the gas first, to take any torque load off the driveline. And I don't engage or disengage while turning. Occasionally I'll hear a "clunk", but not most of the time.
#32
There have been a few threads from guys that have blown up transfer cases. I think the common theme was driving high speed 65-75 on the highway on dry pavement with 4H engaged. I also think it was older trucks (05-08 -ish era). But there haven't been that many.
I try not to engage or disengage mine at highway speed, and I always lift my foot all the way off the gas first, to take any torque load off the driveline. And I don't engage or disengage while turning. Occasionally I'll hear a "clunk", but not most of the time.
I try not to engage or disengage mine at highway speed, and I always lift my foot all the way off the gas first, to take any torque load off the driveline. And I don't engage or disengage while turning. Occasionally I'll hear a "clunk", but not most of the time.
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#34
I'm old school, I like the manual hubs. In the winter I leave the hubs locked in and shift in and out of 4WD H as I feel it's needed. Even when I have the plow on, I'm in 2WD when just driving. I will also agree that being in 4WD definitely helps the "whoa" in some case - having the engine braking apply to all four wheels can definitely be helpful.
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. .... In the 16 i just lock the hubs when i know ill be likely to use it and flip the **** on and off as needed. As for driving on dry pavement being at a full turn and heavy on the throttle is likely to break things past that i wouldnt worry to much unless you plan to donit all the time
The new trucks do have manual hubs, but you manually select between auto and engaged. Back in the day, manual hubs selected between locked and unlocked.
#39
The hubs can engage one of two ways. There's a diaphragm inside the hub and when vacuum applies to it, it sucks the collar into the gears and locks the hub. If you turn the ****, it pushes the collar into the gears and does the same thing. It's a very clever design. I have mine apart right now to clean and re-lube and I've been playing with the parts until my bearings and seals get here.
Again, this is how the hubs on my 2000 work.
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#42
Originally Posted by steveg_nh
So kind of what I said. The manual option on the hub is there in case the switch fails (or they don't engage for some reason). Once you engage at the wheel hub itself, the switch is useless, as you are in 4WD. Right?
#43
The hubs on the newer trucks select between Auto and Manual. No reason to lock the hubs in, they engage with either the turn of the ****, or the pull of the lever, whichever your truck has.
The new trucks do have manual hubs, but you manually select between auto and engaged. Back in the day, manual hubs selected between locked and unlocked.
The new trucks do have manual hubs, but you manually select between auto and engaged. Back in the day, manual hubs selected between locked and unlocked.
#44
I'm interested in how other people use their trucks and their results from how they use them. personally I use my 06 F350's 4x4 literally every day multiple times a day on the farm. The auto hubs have been locked manually for going on 7 years now, I forget to shut the 4x4 off occasionally and have driven on pavement and at 125k nothing other than greasing the knuckle u-joints has been touched or a problem.... My former truck was an 94 F150 used in the same manner and also never had any problems at 190k.
I locked my hubs in permanently because I hated the engagement clunk and also when I want 4x4 I want it NOW!
I locked my hubs in permanently because I hated the engagement clunk and also when I want 4x4 I want it NOW!
#45
With the standard open front diff, your main concern, on dry pavement is a tight turn with heavy throttle, because each front wheel wants to turn different speeds (the open front diff allows this), but NOT necessarily the same speed as the rear tires. The transfer case is a direct connection between the front and rear driveshafts, even when coasting, and in tight turns the front tires are being driven via the front driveshaft at the same speed as the rear tires/drive shaft.
Sudden changes in traction for 1 or more tires, under heavy throttle (or engine braking, down shifting) is when things will break, often it is the weakest link that fails.
With manual 4wd,
Manually locking a hub, simply connects that hub to it's front axle half, you are NOT in 4wd UNLESS you engage 4wd via the manual 4wd floor shift.
With ESOF, you can manually lock/unlock** the front hubs the same as above.
When you select 4wd on the ESOF, it will put transfer case into 4wd, PLUS it will attempt to lock the front hubs via a vacuum activated mechanism, IF necessary.
** I don't think you can manually UNlock them, if the ESOF system is in 4wd and is properly working.
The vacuum line is a common fault and effects the locking of 1 or both front hubs, hence folks will manually lock the front hubs (just in case), or go with manual 4wd floor shift vs ESOF.
The manual 4wd floor shifter allows 2wd LO, by simply leaving the front hubs UNlocked with the floor shifter in 4-lo.
Driving around in 2WD, with front hubs locked, just adds rolling resistance and decreases fuel mileage, since each tire is now spinning it's front axle half and the front driveshaft. It also adds wear to the components, and can cause binding in the rotating "joint" in the connected front axle half.
Sudden changes in traction for 1 or more tires, under heavy throttle (or engine braking, down shifting) is when things will break, often it is the weakest link that fails.
With manual 4wd,
Manually locking a hub, simply connects that hub to it's front axle half, you are NOT in 4wd UNLESS you engage 4wd via the manual 4wd floor shift.
With ESOF, you can manually lock/unlock** the front hubs the same as above.
When you select 4wd on the ESOF, it will put transfer case into 4wd, PLUS it will attempt to lock the front hubs via a vacuum activated mechanism, IF necessary.
** I don't think you can manually UNlock them, if the ESOF system is in 4wd and is properly working.
The vacuum line is a common fault and effects the locking of 1 or both front hubs, hence folks will manually lock the front hubs (just in case), or go with manual 4wd floor shift vs ESOF.
The manual 4wd floor shifter allows 2wd LO, by simply leaving the front hubs UNlocked with the floor shifter in 4-lo.
Driving around in 2WD, with front hubs locked, just adds rolling resistance and decreases fuel mileage, since each tire is now spinning it's front axle half and the front driveshaft. It also adds wear to the components, and can cause binding in the rotating "joint" in the connected front axle half.