390 swap?
#16
Ok, I sent this private message to Hoxii, and emailed it to him as well:
Hoxii - I have a web site where, among other things, I'm documenting everything I can about the 1980 - 86 Ford trucks. Here's a link to that section, although there are over 300 pages beyond that one: 1980 - 86 Ford Trucks - ???Gary's Garagemahal.
Anyway, some of the guys on the Bullnozed forum are interested in swapping a 390 into their trucks and we were looking at your thread. Then I realized that you've apparently not been on FTE for over two years, and got worried that the pics might go away.
So, would you mind if I capture them and put them, as well as your write-up regarding what you did, on my web site? That way we would ensure they don't get away. And, of course, I'd give you the credit.
But, as said, his last activity on FTE was 03-30-2014 , so I'm guessing that he won't see the PM. If he hasn't responded in a couple of weeks I may capture the pic's just to make sure they don't get lost. Technically if he puts the links in the open the pics are free game. But, I would rather not do that so want his approval.
Anyway, some of the guys on the Bullnozed forum are interested in swapping a 390 into their trucks and we were looking at your thread. Then I realized that you've apparently not been on FTE for over two years, and got worried that the pics might go away.
So, would you mind if I capture them and put them, as well as your write-up regarding what you did, on my web site? That way we would ensure they don't get away. And, of course, I'd give you the credit.
#17
i'm leaning towards it may not be worth it, with the pictures from hoxii's thread i'd say a combination of 300 mounts bolted roughly where 400 mounts would go might provide an answer, to my knowledge on the 67-77 ( i think frame perches changed in 77) the 300 perches and 390 perches are the same, however on the 300 trucks they are moved forward, and FE mounts are back more. on the 67-77 trucks the frame and cross member are designed, to hold both. another point to look at on hoxii's thread would be he used a 4x4, and a stick, where i would like a 2wd auto. i think the truck i was looking at got sold so it may be a moot point now but there may be others that want or need this info. i think if i get my hands on a bull nose i'll look for a Cleveland( should fit a lot easier).
#18
#19
i'm leaning towards it may not be worth it, with the pictures from hoxii's thread i'd say a combination of 300 mounts bolted roughly where 400 mounts would go might provide an answer, to my knowledge on the 67-77 ( i think frame perches changed in 77) the 300 perches and 390 perches are the same, however on the 300 trucks they are moved forward, and FE mounts are back more. on the 67-77 trucks the frame and cross member are designed, to hold both. another point to look at on hoxii's thread would be he used a 4x4, and a stick, where i would like a 2wd auto. i think the truck i was looking at got sold so it may be a moot point now but there may be others that want or need this info. i think if i get my hands on a bull nose i'll look for a Cleveland( should fit a lot easier).
Gary still needs the 255/302 perches measurements but I am thinking they will be behind the main cross member.
What you are saying it sounds the perches are the same as the 80-86 trucks with the mounts for v8 after the cross member.
So as a guess either v8 or combo of each might work to fit a FE motor on the 80-86 trucks.
Dave ----
#20
A cleveland would be another odd duck, but not as bad as the 390. While the motor would bolt in using the small v8 setup, the exhaust would have to be custom as well as a few other small pieces. Yes, a 351m/400 manifold would bolt up to the heads on the cleveland, but the the downfall pipes would not fit up like they should. I tried to put 351m/400 headers on a 351c, and the headers hit the bellhousing before they would bolt up all the way.
#21
I think Gary was talking the motor mount side of the motor swap.
I think the person doing the swap would know before this point what tranys bolt to the FE motor?
Everyone wants to run headers but maybe run the stock manifolds and have new head pipes bent to bolt up to them. They could run into a speed shop H or X pipe then duels from there back.
Dave ----
I think the person doing the swap would know before this point what tranys bolt to the FE motor?
Everyone wants to run headers but maybe run the stock manifolds and have new head pipes bent to bolt up to them. They could run into a speed shop H or X pipe then duels from there back.
Dave ----
#22
#23
I think Gary was talking the motor mount side of the motor swap.
I think the person doing the swap would know before this point what tranys bolt to the FE motor?
Everyone wants to run headers but maybe run the stock manifolds and have new head pipes bent to bolt up to them. They could run into a speed shop H or X pipe then duels from there back.
Dave ----
I think the person doing the swap would know before this point what tranys bolt to the FE motor?
Everyone wants to run headers but maybe run the stock manifolds and have new head pipes bent to bolt up to them. They could run into a speed shop H or X pipe then duels from there back.
Dave ----
With any swap that has not been done before ie: FE into a 80-86 truck, the person would be looking for parts that are close to a "bolt in" as can get.
Use perches from the 80-86 trucks that might work or need little work to work with the FE rubber mounts
This way they are not re-inventing the wheel just modifying it to work for them.
Dave ----
#24
part of my interest in a "odd ball" swap is to me there isn't really anything super interesting with these trucks, and in my area fords are kinda odd ***** in themselves, so something weird into an 80s or 90s truck, such as an FE, a Cleveland, or a flat head( i'd try it if i had one), would be so different that the chevy boys would be so dumbfounded they wouldn't know what to think. and i do know what motors and trannies swap back and forth.
#25
I don't know if I would do a flat head as cool as it may be in my book it would not have the power to move the truck worth a heck.
Now a 4bt diesel built up a little or a DD 2 stroke if you could find one would be cool in my book.
On your FE project as it cant happen over a weekend, you will need to set it in place and see where the mounts sit. Then between the early trucks and ours find perches that may work or come close and go from there.
Dave ----
Now a 4bt diesel built up a little or a DD 2 stroke if you could find one would be cool in my book.
On your FE project as it cant happen over a weekend, you will need to set it in place and see where the mounts sit. Then between the early trucks and ours find perches that may work or come close and go from there.
Dave ----
#26
#28
part of my interest in a "odd ball" swap is to me there isn't really anything super interesting with these trucks, and in my area fords are kinda odd ***** in themselves, so something weird into an 80s or 90s truck, such as an FE, a Cleveland, or a flat head( i'd try it if i had one), would be so different that the chevy boys would be so dumbfounded they wouldn't know what to think. and i do know what motors and trannies swap back and forth.
#29
I forgot about that. But, technically a 400 wasn't available in an F150. However, no one can tell from the outside if it is a 351M, which was available, or a 400. On the other hand, 500 ft-lbs wasn't available from any engine in these trucks, so....