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Old 11-25-2016, 12:22 PM
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Slow shift 5th to 6th when cold

All, I've already made an appointment with the dealer, but wanted to verify that there is nothing I can do myself. Situation is I have 2016 F350 that when cold, seems to have shift problems between 5th and 6th gear, where the engine revs between the gear shift under light acceleration. Once warmed up, doesn't seem to do it, 4th to 5th might be a little slow or maybe just my imagination.
 
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sounds like a shifting flare they call it. Not normal.


they will probably reflash it.
 
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I thought it was a problem too. My truck has done it since new. My wife's uncle has a truck identical to mine, except an 8' bed and his does it when it's cold too.

I have noticed it's only first thing in the morning, under 50 degrees and only happens under VERY light acceleration. If you accelerate a little harder, it shifts perfectly. Once the trans temp reaches ~100 degrees, it stops doing it.

When it's cold out, I just lock 6th out until the engine is up to temp. I think that lugging the engine when cold isn't good for it. If I accelerate gently enough, I can get it into 6th at 42 MPH.

I have 29k on my truck now and the transmission hasn't skipped a beat other than this weird thing when it's cold.

All this to say, after fretting about it, I'm personally not going to stress about it.
 
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Old 11-26-2016, 11:51 PM
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Add me to the list... I thought we got rid of these transmission problems after 2011...

I almost started a new thread, tonight - I am now getting a "clunk". My first shifts for the "day" are weird.
 
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Old 11-27-2016, 04:49 PM
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It may be that what you are feeling is the torque converter not locking until the transmission reaches a certain temperature. The converter not locking is a strategy to raise the temp quicker. The next time you are feeling it pay attention to your tach after the shift is completed and see if it revs like the converter is not locked (make sure your gear indicator is lit)
 
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oh, the engine revs between 5-6 like a slipping clutch. I don't buy that its intentional. my 2011 never did that once, and there would be many more guys on here talking about it if it were "normal".
 
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I believe it to be the shift solenoids.
 
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Originally Posted by djousma
oh, the engine revs between 5-6 like a slipping clutch. I don't buy that its intentional. my 2011 never did that once, and there would be many more guys on here talking about it if it were "normal".
I only have my experience of two 2015's to compare, and they both do it.

Mine has a build date of 7/14. The other has a build date of 3/15.

Let's remember, in 2015 they put a new torque converter in (along with a bunch of other stuff). Maybe they've changed the shift logic for when it's cold? So that makes sense that your 2011 didn't ever do that.

It's honestly very hard to duplicate, and is very subtle unless you're 'in tune' with your vehicle. It only does it under VERY VERY light throttle.
 
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Old 11-28-2016, 09:39 PM
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It's normal. My trucks have all did this when cold. Once warmed up never an issue.
 
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I'll go with normal for now... I do have a waranty if it gets worse. Next time I take it in, I will mention it so it gets noted...
 
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Well, we'll see what the dealer has to say. The 2016 just started doing it this fall when outside temps have started to drop. I've owned the 2016 since the end of February, which was still winter here in Michigan, and this was not occurring then either or at all this past summer when outside temps were warmer.
 
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by senix
sounds like a shifting flare they call it. Not normal.


they will probably reflash it.
Ford called me, and they "reprogrammed" the transmission. They are keeping it over night however, and will run another test drive tomorrow morning. I honestly dont care *how* they fix it, just that it is fixed. I suspect the programming just upped the line pressures a bit, as I wasnt able to reproduce the problem when in tow/haul mode either.

I'll report their final findings when I pick it up tomorrow.
 
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My 250 does the same. I believe it is normal. My 2012 ecoboost f150 did it as well. Both of my trucks shift normal when the transmission temp gets to 105 degrees
 
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I got the truck back. They said they cleared the strategy tables, and let the transmission relearn. They drove it again this morning, and by the time I picked it up, it was cold, and the problem did not reoccur. Tomorrow morning will be the true test, but I believe it is fixed.
 
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:25 PM
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OK, final update. The clearing of the transmission shifting strategy out of the computer has fixed the problem. Drove quite a bit over the weekend, no cold shifting issues. There may be a way to do this with Forscan, I havent poked around in there to find out. Since I was still under warranty, I left Ford handle it.
 


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