Glow plug R&R
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Glow plug R&R
Anyone done it? Some posts say the valve covers have to come off, others say no. It looks like the are outside of the vc to me and removing the fender well is the easiest way to access.
Usually I can find lots of vedios of any repair, but can't find anything on 6.7 glow plug change
Usually I can find lots of vedios of any repair, but can't find anything on 6.7 glow plug change
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Bob, I know from your other thread you are contemplating changing out the glowplugs based on that TSB. Please do some googling on that TSB, as I am 90% sure that its the valve that takes the glowplug out. Ford was telling their techs to check the glowplugs for damage caused by the defective exhaust valves in those early 2011's. I could be wrong, but would hate for you to spend $$$$ on new glowplugs unnecessarily.
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Bob, I know from your other thread you are contemplating changing out the glowplugs based on that TSB. Please do some googling on that TSB, as I am 90% sure that its the valve that takes the glowplug out. Ford was telling their techs to check the glowplugs for damage caused by the defective exhaust valves in those early 2011's. I could be wrong, but would hate for you to spend $$$$ on new glowplugs unnecessarily.
There are lots of info on the glow plugs braking off and taking out a valve when it does. I am going to at least look at them, but from what I have seen 100,000 mile replacement is recomended.
I don't buy off that a piece of the valve brakes off without any warning. I can see the stem braking off suddenly, but not a section of the valve head. There would have to be a crack first, and that would cause a hard miss. You would notice something wrong first. There are lost of pics on the intrent showing damage from broken gp. Depending on where it is at TDC it could take out a valve easly.
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I stoped by my local ford dealer today and got the oases report. I asked about the problems with the 6.7 and either valves or glow plugs. There where aware of the glow plugs braking but the have not seen a problem with the the valves. The service mangers said the have not seen any 6.7 engine falures from either the gp or valves at there shop.
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My understanding it they are ceramic. And some of them where falty and would crack frome use and then brake off. I see no reason NOT to pull the glow plugs out and check them. Like I posted earlier my dealer did acknowledge the glow plug issue, but never heard of a valve issue. I have seen a lot of pics on the internet wit damage from the broken gp and no broken valves.
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From the 2014 Ford Service DVD
Removal
Remove the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
NOTE: It may be necessary to unthread the engine sound shield retainers from the engine.
Remove the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers and the RH or LH engine sound shield.
Using the tabs on the top of glow plug connector, pull the glow plug connector off the glow plug.
NOTE: The use of an 8mm deep socket with no internal shoulder is necessary for removal and installation of the glow plug.
Remove the glow plug.
Installation
Install the glow plug.
Tighten to 4 Nm (35 lb-in).
Tighten an additional 45° to 55° degrees.
Pull the glow plug electrical connector out of the outer sleeve.
Connect the glow plug electrical connector to the glow plug and push the connector down to lock the connector on the glow plug.
Position the RH or LH engine sound shield and install the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers.
Install the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
Removal
Remove the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
NOTE: It may be necessary to unthread the engine sound shield retainers from the engine.
Remove the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers and the RH or LH engine sound shield.
Using the tabs on the top of glow plug connector, pull the glow plug connector off the glow plug.
NOTE: The use of an 8mm deep socket with no internal shoulder is necessary for removal and installation of the glow plug.
Remove the glow plug.
Installation
Install the glow plug.
Tighten to 4 Nm (35 lb-in).
Tighten an additional 45° to 55° degrees.
Pull the glow plug electrical connector out of the outer sleeve.
Connect the glow plug electrical connector to the glow plug and push the connector down to lock the connector on the glow plug.
Position the RH or LH engine sound shield and install the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers.
Install the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
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From the 2014 Ford Service DVD
Removal
Remove the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
NOTE: It may be necessary to unthread the engine sound shield retainers from the engine.
Remove the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers and the RH or LH engine sound shield.
Using the tabs on the top of glow plug connector, pull the glow plug connector off the glow plug.
NOTE: The use of an 8mm deep socket with no internal shoulder is necessary for removal and installation of the glow plug.
Remove the glow plug.
Installation
Install the glow plug.
Tighten to 4 Nm (35 lb-in).
Tighten an additional 45° to 55° degrees.
Pull the glow plug electrical connector out of the outer sleeve.
Connect the glow plug electrical connector to the glow plug and push the connector down to lock the connector on the glow plug.
Position the RH or LH engine sound shield and install the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers.
Install the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
Removal
Remove the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
NOTE: It may be necessary to unthread the engine sound shield retainers from the engine.
Remove the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers and the RH or LH engine sound shield.
Using the tabs on the top of glow plug connector, pull the glow plug connector off the glow plug.
NOTE: The use of an 8mm deep socket with no internal shoulder is necessary for removal and installation of the glow plug.
Remove the glow plug.
Installation
Install the glow plug.
Tighten to 4 Nm (35 lb-in).
Tighten an additional 45° to 55° degrees.
Pull the glow plug electrical connector out of the outer sleeve.
Connect the glow plug electrical connector to the glow plug and push the connector down to lock the connector on the glow plug.
Position the RH or LH engine sound shield and install the 5 RH or 4 LH engine sound shield retainers.
Install the LH or RH fender splash shield. For additional information, refer to Section 501-02 .
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That glow plug tsb that came out was easily misunderstood and not explained fully by Ford. If you do some more research on Ford forums, many senior techs have come out and explained this in detail.
Ford explained latter to their techs that asked, checking the glow plugs condition was the easiest way to let the tech/Ford know what the state of affairs was inside the combustion chamber.
The engines that suffered from valves breaking/dropping on the early build 6.7 2011 was what Ford was looking for with that glow plug check tsb.
Ford did not want to pay Ford dealers for taking off heads to find cylinders destroyed from dropping valves that were a problem in the very early 6.7 builds. So a much easier, cheaper procedure, was check the glow plug. If the glow plug was damaged, it meant the cylinder was toasted from valve debris bouncing around in the combustion chamber.
Take it or leave it, thats the bottom line. Here is a senior Ford tech explaining it...
People make mistakes and misunderstandings. Unfortunately this misunderstanding goes on till this day, some techs still don't understand, sad. This vid is a great example of this misunderstanding...
Ford explained latter to their techs that asked, checking the glow plugs condition was the easiest way to let the tech/Ford know what the state of affairs was inside the combustion chamber.
The engines that suffered from valves breaking/dropping on the early build 6.7 2011 was what Ford was looking for with that glow plug check tsb.
Ford did not want to pay Ford dealers for taking off heads to find cylinders destroyed from dropping valves that were a problem in the very early 6.7 builds. So a much easier, cheaper procedure, was check the glow plug. If the glow plug was damaged, it meant the cylinder was toasted from valve debris bouncing around in the combustion chamber.
Take it or leave it, thats the bottom line. Here is a senior Ford tech explaining it...
Sadly, Brian is very mistaken. The early 6.7L engine "problem" was related to the cylinder heads; exhaust valve seats and broken exhaust valves. The bulletin description 6.7L DIESEL - RUNS ROUGH - NO CRANK - GLOW PLUG CIRCUIT DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 3/29/2011 is misleading. The diagnostics were simple as glow plug damage was deemed sufficient to diagnose and warrant the replacement of the long block assembly. As a matter of fact we were told to not disassemble the engines, just replace. The other point of confusion is that the revised cylinder heads have glow plug bores with a seat that is machined at a different depth than the original cylinder heads. While the new revised glow plugs are the same overall length, they are dimensionally different from the seat to the tip by 4.5mm. Installing the old plugs in a newer cylinder head will cause the pistons to strike the glow plugs and cause internal damage.
I think that about covers it.
I think that about covers it.
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