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Old 10-17-2016, 02:54 PM
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Y Block / 223 I6 starter

I tried searching for this and came up with nothing so sorry if this has already been covered.

I want to get rid of the bendix inertia drive starter and go to a conventional Ford style moveable pole shoe starter. Yes I know that there is aftermarket High torque starter available But do not wish go this route for looks reason.

The Y Blocks did come with a conventional style starter just not in North America. In South America the Y \Block stayed in production till 1980 and they used a Prestolite Solenoid starter made by WAPSA in Brazil. See Pic Below

So has any one converted their Y block/ 223 I6 to a conventional Ford Starter ?
I assume that the housing you need to use is a FE housing. But what about the Starter drive ?
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You may have to turn starter ring around on flywheel.
 
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You may have to turn starter ring around on flywheel.

Yes I know that, thanks, but it does not answer the question.


Seriously I can't believe no one has done this.
 
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Originally Posted by matthewq4b
I tried searching for this and came up with nothing so sorry if this has already been covered.

I want to get rid of the bendix inertia drive starter and go to a conventional Ford style moveable pole shoe starter. Yes I know that there is aftermarket High torque starter available But do not wish go this route for looks reason.

The Y Blocks did come with a conventional style starter just not in North America.
1954/61 223 & Y blocks used the Bendix inertia starter drive. 1962/64 223/262 & Y blocks could have the Bendix or a conventional starter drive.

C2AZ-11002-A .. Starter-Use with C2AZ-11350-C Starter Drive (Motorcraft SD-132): 1962/63 223/292 Ford full sized Passenger Cars; 1962/64 F100/700 223/262/292.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
1954/61 223 & Y blocks used the Bendix inertia starter drive. 1962/64 223/262 & Y blocks could have the Bendix or a conventional starter drive.

C2AZ-11002-A .. Starter-Use with C2AZ-11350-C Starter Drive (Motorcraft SD-132): 1962/63 223/292 Ford full sized Passenger Cars; 1962/64 F100/700 223/262/292.

Thanks Bill greatly appreciated . I have never seen a Y block (let alone a 223) with a conventional pole shoe starter short of the south american ones.

I did dig in to this before actually attempting it and it did look the early bendix drives used the same pitch 9 tooth gear as the later pole shoe FE starters. Also many of the aftermarket high torque starters are claimed to be able to be used on the Y block and the FE.

So given that why would anyone stick with the PIA bendix drive starter (short of a concours resto) if you could drop in a pole shoe starter ?
 
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If the starter has the Bendix inertia drive, you cannot replace it with a conventional starter drive, you have to replace the starter.

Pic: Notice how the 11350 inertia drive connects to the armature.

To remove it, it has to be unwound by hand to get at the 11365 roll pin. Rewinding that sucker by hand takes muscle...been there, done that.
 
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Push end of drive between jaws of vice to remove pin.Use wire wheel on grinder to spin drive so that it ratchets fast enough to re-seat.
 
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If the starter has the Bendix inertia drive, you cannot replace it with a conventional starter drive, you have to replace the starter.

Pic: Notice how the 11350 inertia drive connects to the armature.

To remove it, it has to be unwound by hand to get at the 11365 roll pin. Rewinding that sucker by hand takes muscle...been there, done that.
No of course you could not it would require the use of a whole conventional Ford Pole shoe starter. Still a super easy bolt in swap. No stupid stuck bendix's, no early disengagements, longer ring gear life , easier R&R (by a factor of ten ever try to remove a bendix stater that is stuck in the engaged position) Why would any one stick with an inertia bendix starter is beyond me, especially if you could just drop in a conventional Ford pole shoe starter.
 
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