My "new" truck
#31
09-09-2016, 10:10 PM
I can appreciate a back problem. When you are up to it, you should be able to make it out from under the hood without going underneath the truck. This is a picture of my 66 F250 4x4 in the area. Basically just about below the master cylinder and to the drivers side slightly. You can see my 4x4 (both of them here) only have the one 3-wire connector. No extra wires at all.
The extra 4-wire connector, if it exists on a given truck is designed to plug in a relay.
I'm just going to scrape some info from ND here and paste it in to not retype it all. Courtesy ND....
C7SZ13482B (replaced C5SZ13482B, C5SZ13482D) .. Stop Lamp Relay / Marked: C5SB-13A410-B, C6SB-13A410-B, C8SB-13A410-C / Obsolete
Fits: 1965/66 F100/250 Camper Special & 1967 F100/350 Camper Special / Use with Camper or Trailer Coach.
Fits: 1966 Thunderbird from 11/17/1965 & 1967 Thunderbird / Use with sequential turn signals.
Fits: 1968 Thunderbird / Use with Speed Control.
Anyway, even if the relay is no longer there or if some contend the relay was only dealer installed then I say another way to tell if it is a genuine Camper Special, modifications aside, is that the intermediate harness will have these extra wires, beyond just the extra 4-wire connector as you noticed, which the relay plugs into. Mine and the 2 others I've looked at have the electrical wrap that looks to have never been touched and since it is wound from front to back they would have to either unwind the harness perfectly from the back to the front to add the wires or re-wrap it completely fresh. Either of which would require removing the entire intermediate harness and reinstalling it. No light work for a dealer install there. Possible, but I'm doubting that.
Anyway, just a discussion I've had with others before and curious whenever I see a possible Camper Special. My original is floating around here somewhere but it looks exactly like this.
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The extra 4-wire connector, if it exists on a given truck is designed to plug in a relay.
I'm just going to scrape some info from ND here and paste it in to not retype it all. Courtesy ND....
C7SZ13482B (replaced C5SZ13482B, C5SZ13482D) .. Stop Lamp Relay / Marked: C5SB-13A410-B, C6SB-13A410-B, C8SB-13A410-C / Obsolete
Fits: 1965/66 F100/250 Camper Special & 1967 F100/350 Camper Special / Use with Camper or Trailer Coach.
Fits: 1966 Thunderbird from 11/17/1965 & 1967 Thunderbird / Use with sequential turn signals.
Fits: 1968 Thunderbird / Use with Speed Control.
Anyway, even if the relay is no longer there or if some contend the relay was only dealer installed then I say another way to tell if it is a genuine Camper Special, modifications aside, is that the intermediate harness will have these extra wires, beyond just the extra 4-wire connector as you noticed, which the relay plugs into. Mine and the 2 others I've looked at have the electrical wrap that looks to have never been touched and since it is wound from front to back they would have to either unwind the harness perfectly from the back to the front to add the wires or re-wrap it completely fresh. Either of which would require removing the entire intermediate harness and reinstalling it. No light work for a dealer install there. Possible, but I'm doubting that.
Anyway, just a discussion I've had with others before and curious whenever I see a possible Camper Special. My original is floating around here somewhere but it looks exactly like this.
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#32
09-09-2016, 11:30 PM
Very nice truck!
I noticed you've got a saginaw power steering pump like I'm planning to install in my 66 F250 for power steering and hydroboost brakes. I'm curious about the mounting brackets for the pump and about the clearance of the high pressure fitting between the pump and the oil filter adapter - I've read it can be tight. I understand you might not be up for snapping more pictures due to back problems, but maybe you have some already that show the bracket and the back of the pump?
Have fun with your F250!
Regards,
Corey
I noticed you've got a saginaw power steering pump like I'm planning to install in my 66 F250 for power steering and hydroboost brakes. I'm curious about the mounting brackets for the pump and about the clearance of the high pressure fitting between the pump and the oil filter adapter - I've read it can be tight. I understand you might not be up for snapping more pictures due to back problems, but maybe you have some already that show the bracket and the back of the pump?
Have fun with your F250!
Regards,
Corey
#33
09-09-2016, 11:34 PM
#34
09-10-2016, 10:19 AM
Eureka!
I found the info in the MPC that I was after.
The standard harness for 65/66 F100/250 non-Camper Special (Camper Coach as they seem to call it) was
C2TZ-14405-BZ
Where the intermediate harness used on Camper Specials varied a little bit. Either
C5TZ-14405-T before serial number 776,001 or C6TZ-14405-F after serial number 776,001.
As you can see some of the early F350 and 4WD trucks before serial 776,001 seem to have also had an optional wiring harness for running a trailer or camper.
Joe, since your truck doesn't have the harness that the relay plugs into I'd have a hunch that was actually not a Camper Special.
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I found the info in the MPC that I was after.
The standard harness for 65/66 F100/250 non-Camper Special (Camper Coach as they seem to call it) was
C2TZ-14405-BZ
Where the intermediate harness used on Camper Specials varied a little bit. Either
C5TZ-14405-T before serial number 776,001 or C6TZ-14405-F after serial number 776,001.
As you can see some of the early F350 and 4WD trucks before serial 776,001 seem to have also had an optional wiring harness for running a trailer or camper.
Joe, since your truck doesn't have the harness that the relay plugs into I'd have a hunch that was actually not a Camper Special.
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#35
09-10-2016, 02:35 PM
Very nice truck!
I noticed you've got a saginaw power steering pump like I'm planning to install in my 66 F250 for power steering and hydroboost brakes. I'm curious about the mounting brackets for the pump and about the clearance of the high pressure fitting between the pump and the oil filter adapter - I've read it can be tight. I understand you might not be up for snapping more pictures due to back problems, but maybe you have some already that show the bracket and the back of the pump?
Have fun with your F250!
Regards,
Corey
I noticed you've got a saginaw power steering pump like I'm planning to install in my 66 F250 for power steering and hydroboost brakes. I'm curious about the mounting brackets for the pump and about the clearance of the high pressure fitting between the pump and the oil filter adapter - I've read it can be tight. I understand you might not be up for snapping more pictures due to back problems, but maybe you have some already that show the bracket and the back of the pump?
Have fun with your F250!
Regards,
Corey
The PS brackets are spaced out so the belt lines up.
Looks like lots of clearance for the lines.
#36
09-10-2016, 02:38 PM
I really know very little about the Camper Special. The PO told me this truck is a CS, but I wouldn't know.
#37
09-10-2016, 03:20 PM
Nice looking truck Joe. About ten years ago I got into 66 F-100s and soon had three. I've sold them all by now but still like them. I just couldn't justify having that many vehicles. Here is a picture of my nicest pickup, a short wide custom cab. I put a 300 six, factory overdrive three on the tree, and deluxe heater in it while I owned it. I think you will like your F-250. It should drive nicely at highway speeds except a lot of wind noise from the overhang above the windshield. Anyway, picture:
#38
09-10-2016, 04:44 PM
D = 352 2V
R = San Jose CA Assembly Plant.
699333 = 1965, assembled June 1965.
129" Wheelbase.
8 = Springtime Yellow.
F250 2WD .. 7,500 lbs. GVWR
D81: D = Light Beige Crush Vinyl & Medium Beige Ladder Pattern Woven Plastic / 81 = 81B Custom Cab.
N = New Process 435 4 Speed Manual Transmission.
24 = Spicer/Dana 60 Rear Axle / 4.10-1 / 5,200 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.
7,500 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.
172 net HP @ 4,000 RPM
72 = San Jose (NorCal) Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.
Don (camperspecial65) told me that the Custom Cab/Ranger "sweep speedometer" instrument cluster could be deleted, replaced by the Custom Cab round speedo cluster this truck has.
Everything that came with the Camper Special "package" could be ordered separately with one exception.
Camper Specials came with a tail lamp harness that had an extra feed wire for the Camper Special wiring harness (for the Camper's clearance lights) to plug into.
This harness was placed in the glove box when not in use. If the tail lamp harness does not have a feed wire, it's not a Camper Special.
#39
09-10-2016, 04:54 PM
Nice looking truck Joe. About ten years ago I got into 66 F-100s and soon had three. I've sold them all by now but still like them. I just couldn't justify having that many vehicles. Here is a picture of my nicest pickup, a short wide custom cab. I put a 300 six, factory overdrive three on the tree, and deluxe heater in it while I owned it. I think you will like your F-250. It should drive nicely at highway speeds except a lot of wind noise from the overhang above the windshield. Anyway, picture:
#40
09-10-2016, 05:29 PM
Don (camperspecial65) told me that the Custom Cab/Ranger "sweep speedometer" instrument cluster could be deleted, replaced by the Custom Cab round speedo cluster this truck has.
Everything that came with the Camper Special "package" could be ordered separately with one exception.
Camper Specials came with a tail lamp harness that had an extra feed wire for the Camper Special wiring harness (for the Camper's clearance lights) to plug into.
This harness was placed in the glove box when not in use. If the tail lamp harness does not have a feed wire, it's not a Camper Special.
I always thought the trucks with the passenger side tool box were CS trucks, but I guess that was just another option?
So, until today I had never heard of Camper Coach or Trailer Coach. Was the Camper Coach what we call the Camper Special? And what was a Trailer Coach?
#41
09-10-2016, 05:40 PM
Thanks for all this info Bill. I'll be searching for that extra tail lamp feed wire later, but it's not where I was told to look earlier, so it probably isn't a Camper Special.
I always thought the trucks with the passenger side tool box were CS trucks, but I guess that was just another option?
I always thought the trucks with the passenger side tool box were CS trucks, but I guess that was just another option?
Camper Specials either had A/T or 4 speed M/T. My '65 had 3 speed overdrive.
#42
09-10-2016, 05:46 PM
Thanks again Bill. I like it when you respond to posts because you always have the facts straight. Not that others don't, but yours are always right on.
#43
09-10-2016, 07:45 PM
Camper Specials came with a tail lamp harness that had an extra feed wire for the Camper Special wiring harness (for the Camper's clearance lights) to plug into.
This harness was placed in the glove box when not in use. If the tail lamp harness does not have a feed wire, it's not a Camper Special.
This harness was placed in the glove box when not in use. If the tail lamp harness does not have a feed wire, it's not a Camper Special.
Besides the harness in the glove box the intermediate harness is also different to allow the relay above to be plugged into. You already know about the relay, you just need to consider what the relay plugged into. At least in some cases they seem to be using a different harness in 1966. Not sure about 1965, but the MPC lists the numbers that I gave above.
If I understood Eric - his 1966 Mercury sounds like it has the relay as well.
Nothin' to lose any sleep over, but I find it interesting.
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#44
09-10-2016, 09:18 PM
Thanks for the pix of the PS pump. Those are different brackets than I've seen - might need to get one of my CAD friends to model some up for me. The bracket from Borgeson mounts on the back side of the pump and didn't offer much clearance for the pressure hose so I was planning to use a 6-AN banjo fitting.
Regards,
Corey
Regards,
Corey
#45
09-10-2016, 09:51 PM
Thanks for the pix of the PS pump. Those are different brackets than I've seen - might need to get one of my CAD friends to model some up for me. The bracket from Borgeson mounts on the back side of the pump and didn't offer much clearance for the pressure hose so I was planning to use a 6-AN banjo fitting.
Regards,
Corey
Regards,
Corey
I didn't realize it had a Saginaw until my son looked at it and remarked "Oh good, you have a Saginaw." Remember, I worked on a flathead 6 before this truck. No P/S or any of this new fangled stuff.