Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Still no Pumps?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #16  
Old 08-15-2016, 02:07 PM
subford's Avatar
subford
subford is offline
Fleet Owner
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Easton,Ks
Posts: 23,603
Likes: 0
Received 228 Likes on 177 Posts
You might want to check the small black wire with a green strip leaving the (-) NEG post of the battery. If that wire does not have a good ground at that point the computer will not work.
 
  #17  
Old 08-22-2016, 09:28 AM
Building_Fords's Avatar
Building_Fords
Building_Fords is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Olanta, PA
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ok, I'll be working on the Truck this Sunday to check the pumps. SUBFORD you mentioned that the Power into the computer were on Pins, 1, 37, & 57, Can I test those Pins to ensure the computer is getting power? And if it is then I have pretty much determined the computer is the problem.


As far as testing the Pump goes, wtroger said I can use an ohm meter to check the pump. How does that one work? I have the Ohm setting on my meter, but do not know how to read that. I did run battery power to the High pressure pump, but got no pump action and sparks at the battery. I assumed with that that the pump was bad. Any ideas?
 
  #18  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:28 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
grounding six

Originally Posted by subford
Yes the common term for the relay closing or changing state with persons working with relays is that the relay is picked.
I did work with relay logic for many years as an electronic tech.
Saying activate may not mean that the contact in the relay is in the state you want it in.

Grounding the self-test pin #6 by either shorting it to pin #2 or grounding it to the engine block or brake line and turning on the key should pick the fuel pump relay and put power on the wire going to the selected fuel pump.



/
what if grounding #6 does nothing?
 
  #19  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:31 PM
subford's Avatar
subford
subford is offline
Fleet Owner
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Easton,Ks
Posts: 23,603
Likes: 0
Received 228 Likes on 177 Posts
As in your fuel pump relay not clicking (closing)?
 
  #20  
Old 09-21-2016, 06:54 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
nothing

Originally Posted by subford
As in your fuel pump relay not clicking (closing)?
I mean nothing. I get no cel under any conditions. No fuel pump unless I jump the relay.
 
  #21  
Old 09-21-2016, 07:42 PM
Lead Head's Avatar
Lead Head
Lead Head is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 7,867
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
If your check engine light doesn't come on when you turn the key on, either the computer has failed, or it is not getting power/ground.
 
  #22  
Old 09-21-2016, 07:47 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
got me stumped.

Originally Posted by Lead Head
If your check engine light doesn't come on when you turn the key on, either the computer has failed, or it is not getting power/ground.
I was under the impression grounding #6 on the EEC test would bypass the computer. There by turning on fuel pump and cel
 
  #23  
Old 09-21-2016, 07:51 PM
Lead Head's Avatar
Lead Head
Lead Head is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 7,867
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
It turns on the fuel pumps, not the CEL. CEL is only controlled by the computer. The CEL should light up with the key-on-engine-off. If it does not light up, the computer is not functioning.
 
  #24  
Old 09-21-2016, 08:37 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lead Head
It turns on the fuel pumps, not the CEL. CEL is only controlled by the computer. The CEL should light up with the key-on-engine-off. If it does not light up, the computer is not functioning.
fuel pumps only turn on if you jump the fuel pump relay and not by grounding #6
 
  #25  
Old 09-21-2016, 08:41 PM
subford's Avatar
subford
subford is offline
Fleet Owner
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Easton,Ks
Posts: 23,603
Likes: 0
Received 228 Likes on 177 Posts
Originally Posted by danny1335
I was under the impression grounding #6 on the EEC test would bypass the computer.
Yes it does but the Power Relay must also close to give power to the coil of the fuel pump relay for this to work.
Without the CEL (MIL) working and the fuel pump not running when you ground pin #6 with the key on it sounds like the power relay is not closing.

Check for power at the Ignition coil with the key on. If you have power there then check to see if the power relay is closing when the key is turned on by checking for power at the red wire to any fuel injector with a loading test light.

Let us know what you find out.
 
  #26  
Old 09-21-2016, 08:47 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by subford
Yes it does but the Power Relay must also close to give power to the coil of the fuel pump relay for this to work.
Without the CEL (MIL) working and the fuel pump not running when you ground pin #6 with the key on it sounds like the power relay is not closing.

Check for power at the Ignition coil with the key on. If you have power there then check to see if the power relay is closing when the key is turned on by checking for power at the red wire to any fuel injector with a loading test light.

Let us know what you find out.
Thank you much! Will post results tomorrow evening
 
  #27  
Old 09-22-2016, 04:06 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by danny1335
Thank you much! Will post results tomorrow evening
Results are I have fire and power to coil(key on). Red wire on injectors is hot (key on).
 
  #28  
Old 09-23-2016, 07:47 AM
subford's Avatar
subford
subford is offline
Fleet Owner
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Easton,Ks
Posts: 23,603
Likes: 0
Received 228 Likes on 177 Posts
Originally Posted by Building_Fords
Whwn you say pick do you mean activate?
Here is what I have..
Constant power, (yellow) on EEC and Fuel Pump Relay,
Ingnition Power when switch turned on (wHITE/Blue Stripe)
Power from Fuel Pump relay to EEC relay (Red)
NO Power out on Brown line (to inertia switch)
How can I test my eec to sii if it is grounding the Low circuit?
With the fuel pump relay not making when pin #6 is grounded either you have a bad fuel pump relay or the wire from the self-test plug to the fuel pump relay is open or bad wiring under the fuel pump relay.
 
  #29  
Old 09-23-2016, 07:29 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by subford
With the fuel pump relay not making when pin #6 is grounded either you have a bad fuel pump relay or the wire from the self-test plug to the fuel pump relay is open or bad wiring under the fuel pump relay.
fuel pump relay is good. @#$%&&! Power distribution box is buried under the master cylinder and ac lines. Pin #6 tests as a ground. Trying to get to the screws on the bottom of the power distribution box.
 
  #30  
Old 09-23-2016, 07:32 PM
danny1335's Avatar
danny1335
danny1335 is offline
New User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I do get "rear abs" & "alt" lights with key on
 


Quick Reply: Still no Pumps?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:12 PM.