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Old 07-05-2016, 01:28 PM
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Surge/revving

I've been getting a surge or revs when getting up to cruising speed before it drops into overdrive or or a constant speed. Happens around 1800-2200 rpm before up shifting to the next gear. More noticeable if under a load or going up a grade when it will hold gear longer before shifting. Only thing I can think of that would be related is the truck does lack some power on a cold start for the first couple miles before getting up to temp. I've cleaned the ebp sensor and it appears to be working correctly, reading within .1-.2 of BAR/MAP key one engine off. VGT solenoid is clean but have no real way to tell if it's working correctly. Other values icp/ipr temps fluid levels appear to be correct. Just changed the oil and it continues, changed the transmission oil and filter about 3000 miles ago. I've had this going on for about 1000. Started about the same time I changed tunes to PHP. They haven't been able to find anything in the tuning yet that could be causing this or if it is just making it show up now.
 
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:54 PM
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Could be the pigtail to the ICP or the ICP itself. Mine is doing the whole surge deal and when I sprayed it with electronics cleaner it didn't surge for like 4 days. I am pretty sure I need a new ICP and pigtail. Just my two cents, hope it helps.
 
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Originally Posted by oxt127
I've been getting a surge or revs when getting up to cruising speed before it drops into overdrive or or a constant speed. Happens around 1800-2200 rpm before up shifting to the next gear. More noticeable if under a load or going up a grade when it will hold gear longer before shifting. Only thing I can think of that would be related is the truck does lack some power on a cold start for the first couple miles before getting up to temp. I've cleaned the ebp sensor and it appears to be working correctly, reading within .1-.2 of BAR/MAP key one engine off. VGT solenoid is clean but have no real way to tell if it's working correctly. Other values icp/ipr temps fluid levels appear to be correct. Just changed the oil and it continues, changed the transmission oil and filter about 3000 miles ago. I've had this going on for about 1000. Started about the same time I changed tunes to PHP. They haven't been able to find anything in the tuning yet that could be causing this or if it is just making it show up now.
Both times I've experienced this I had an injector going out. Have you scanned it for codes?
 
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Old 07-05-2016, 05:40 PM
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Yes, no codes present. Back in May I had an independent shop scan the truck and check everything and had a clean bill of health, injectors tested great.
 
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If the ICP is oil soaked or the connector is, replace it.
 
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If the ICP is oil soaked or the connector is, replace it.
I did pull the icp yesterday, it did have oil on it, the inside not the plug side, but was not dirty. Dry and clean on the outside and connector.

What is the logic for replacing if it has oil on it? Will it not get oil on it again?
 
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Have the exact same thing.. Been there for well over a year. New EBP, VGT, Injectors passed at the shop, EGR Valve cleaned/Re-oring, All numbers of MAP/BARO/EBP pass at Key, Idle and WOT. Stuff like that.. I haven't checked ICP very far, numbers seem ok. 580 at hot idle and 4k at WOT.. no oil on connector myself, not sure how else it fails... id like to get some answers too
 
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Originally Posted by oxt127
I did pull the icp yesterday, it did have oil on it, the inside not the plug side, but was not dirty. Dry and clean on the outside and connector.

What is the logic for replacing if it has oil on it? Will it not get oil on it again?
If you have oil coming through the ICP sensor into the electrical connection you need to replace the ICP sensor and usually the electrical connector as well.
 
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
If you have oil coming through the ICP sensor into the electrical connection you need to replace the ICP sensor and usually the electrical connector as well.
I believe he just has oil on the inside of the ICP. No coming through or on the electrical side.
 
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Run the truck with ICP unplugged. Won't hurt anything, then clear the code when done.

Could be the A/C causing the surge as well, clutch going south or an injector as mentioned.
 
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Originally Posted by Jmoen7
I believe he just has oil on the inside of the ICP. No coming through or on the electrical side.
That's why I worded it the way I did, to remove any confusion.
 
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Is it more likely to be injector related tha ICP if its some days better than others? Or if it clears up when warms up a bit but not fully? I'll run it w/o ICP in a bit here
 
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For me can't say the AC makes any difference on or off. I'll drive with icp unplugged tomorrow. After warm it has great performance just with the occasional surge action at the top of the lower gears before the up shift.
 
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For me can't say the AC makes any difference on or off. I'll drive with icp unplugged tomorrow. After warm it has great performance just with the occasional surge action at the top of the lower gears before the up shift.
I think we have the same thing going on. Definitely only feel it at shift when warm, mainly after shift for a second or two for me. Great power though aswell, cold a bit sluggish but still moves if i need it.

Ill report back w/ unplugged ICP also
 
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Surge/revving

I hesitate to post this because some very bright posters have posted to this thread and not mentioned it. But, hey, I've never let looking foolish stop me from saying something I think might be helpful.

If this is only occurring during tranny shifts, and started about 2k miles after a tranny fluid change, couldn't this be the tranny slipping?

What kind of fluid did you use when you changed it? Have you checked the fluid level?
 


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