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That's the thing about market data, it's not always reliable. There are all sorts of folks who would answer a survey indicating that they would buy such a truck, but it's a completely different thing when the vehicle is in front of you and you're signing purchase paperwork. I'm interested in a diesel F150, but would I buy one? That would depend on a lot of things, and the option cost would be a significant factor.
And, just for the record, I think very few would actually purchase a $30,000+ truck with an antiquated straight 6. The current base engine makes significantly more torque and almost double the power.
I'm not sure. Looks like the Lion engine family was first produced in 2004 and was installed in various Rover, Jaguar, and Citroen cars. The fact that it's been around for awhile is good, but I really can't find much about it.
Yeah, it was more of a rhetorical comment than anything as the 300 wasn't even available in the highest trim offerings. The fact is, people say they want it but would they buy it? I've had two and while they were great motors, I wouldn't have another. Too slow and too thirsty.
I'm not so sure that I'd even look at a diesel F-150. While the MPG's will b e superior, you could buy a lot of gasoline for the added price of the engine.
I can't see it meeting my needs or wants, but another option in the lineup can't be a bad thing. I can see it being popular for folks that already run a fleet of diesel trucks/equipment and want to keep the light duty vehicles on the same fuel.
I wouldn't buy the diesel because I don't need one. I also don't need the added expense of the higher priced fuel, the engine itself, or the higher priced oil change.
What I would like, is to be able to get the 2.7L Ecoboost in a lariat that has the 502A package. I really wish Ford would allow for that.
A diesel (capable) will sell like crazy and ford knows it. Maintenance won't be as much as a big powerstroke. The ecodiesel is no different than a gas motor when it comes to maintence. Def lasted about 10k oil change was every 10k and maybe cost around 1-120 can't recall.
A diesel (capable) will sell like crazy and ford knows it. Maintenance won't be as much as a big powerstroke. The ecodiesel is no different than a gas motor when it comes to maintence. Def lasted about 10k oil change was every 10k and maybe cost around 1-120 can't recall.
3-4 times the cost of an oil change on my ecoboost. Add to that a buy in cost of at least 2x more than the ecoboost and likely less towing capability.
I'm trying to find the value here, someone please help. The diesel option is a great move for Ford, it's needed as the competition is all moving in that direction.
3-4 times the cost of an oil change on my ecoboost. Add to that a buy in cost of at least 2x more than the ecoboost and likely less towing capability.
I'm trying to figure that one out. In the Range Rover Sport the 3.0L engine takes 6.3 quarts of oil. I can't find any specs on the oil filter, but from what I gather it will use a cartridge filter similar to the 2.7L EB engine.
What exactly is so expensive about servicing this engine? The only added items should be draining the fuel/water separator(which takes about 45 seconds), and topping off the DEF tank with around $10 in DEF. That's about what the extra two quarts of oil costs that you'd need to service a 5.0L V8.
I'm trying to find the value here, someone please help. The diesel option is a great move for Ford, it's needed as the competition is all moving in that direction.
The fuel economy. Fortunately the Ram EcoDiesel has been out long enough to get some great data on Fuelly. Check it out, 524 trucks tracking fuel economy and look at the numbers:
The same three model years of EcoBoost F150 are 16.3, 16.5, and 16.1. Over 100,000 miles the F150 would burn 6,250 gallons of gas, and the EcoDiesel would burn 4,500. You do the math for the fuel prices in your area, my numbers show around a $4,000 fuel savings. And after that 100,000 miles the diesel option should still be worth more than the gas engine come resale time, assuming the engines hold up as well as the gas models.
I'm trying to figure that one out. In the Range Rover Sport the 3.0L engine takes 6.3 quarts of oil. I can't find any specs on the oil filter, but from what I gather it will use a cartridge filter similar to the 2.7L EB engine.
What exactly is so expensive about servicing this engine? The only added items should be draining the fuel/water separator(which takes about 45 seconds), and topping off the DEF tank with around $10 in DEF. That's about what the extra two quarts of oil costs that you'd need to service a 5.0L V8.The fuel economy. Fortunately the Ram EcoDiesel has been out long enough to get some great data on Fuelly. Check it out, 524 trucks tracking fuel economy and look at the numbers:
The same three model years of EcoBoost F150 are 16.3, 16.5, and 16.1. Over 100,000 miles the F150 would burn 6,250 gallons of gas, and the EcoDiesel would burn 4,500. You do the math for the fuel prices in your area, my numbers show around a $4,000 fuel savings. And after that 100,000 miles the diesel option should still be worth more than the gas engine come resale time, assuming the engines hold up as well as the gas models.
Thank you!! Now ford if you reading build the thing
I'm trying to figure that one out. In the Range Rover Sport the 3.0L engine takes 6.3 quarts of oil. I can't find any specs on the oil filter, but from what I gather it will use a cartridge filter similar to the 2.7L EB engine.
What exactly is so expensive about servicing this engine? The only added items should be draining the fuel/water separator(which takes about 45 seconds), and topping off the DEF tank with around $10 in DEF. That's about what the extra two quarts of oil costs that you'd need to service a 5.0L V8.
The fuel economy. Fortunately the Ram EcoDiesel has been out long enough to get some great data on Fuelly. Check it out, 524 trucks tracking fuel economy and look at the numbers:
The same three model years of EcoBoost F150 are 16.3, 16.5, and 16.1. Over 100,000 miles the F150 would burn 6,250 gallons of gas, and the EcoDiesel would burn 4,500. You do the math for the fuel prices in your area, my numbers show around a $4,000 fuel savings. And after that 100,000 miles the diesel option should still be worth more than the gas engine come resale time, assuming the engines hold up as well as the gas models.
Go back and read post #20. He stated that his oil change on the ecodiesel was $100-$120 per 10K mile OCI. I could run my ecoboost for 10K miles and pay a Ford dealer $39.95 to dump my oil.
I bought a truck with the right gearset ad I'm getting the MPG's as compared to other gassers. I cannot argue that the MPG's on the oil burner are superior in all facets of driving, but, is that alone enough to offset the buy in costs and maintenance in the first 100K miles? So, in 100,000 miles t hat's 10 oil changes and figuring high at $120 per, that's $1200 in routine service vs the $400 for my ecoboost.
That also was when they first came out. I know mopar had a kick in those canister filters selling for 70. Guy at dealership told me cost has come down considerably now that the aftermarket had them so I don't know. If your ponying up 60k for a truck who's counting at that point. I would love a half ton diesel as long as it can tow I guess we see
I never understood the increased service cost of diesel engines either - anyone care to educate us regarding why draining a fuel filter, adding an extra couple of quarts of synthetic oil, and topping off the DEF adds $100 to an oil change?
Well on the 3\4 ton trucks it is much more expensive mainly because they hold 12-16 quarts of Diesel rated oil, Most want Rotella or Mobil to run in their $60k truck, also the filter is usually $15-25 and the added disposal fees for the extra oil, plus in cold climates most want to replace the fuel filter every other oil change to protect the $400-600 dollar injectors, Also the battery's get a good workout from the glow plugs and after about 2 years they get weak enough that they might fail to start the truck on a cold morning, Coolant flushes are recommended more often also, As is failed def fluid tank heaters on both GM and Fords ($400) or more so it is more then just a oil change that effects the cost of ownership of the diesel, Of course none of this directly pertains to the 1\2 ton diesels yet.
07-04-2016, 06:12 AM
