1988 e150 Mark III conversion van

I ordered the stock leaf spring bushings and the OD was too small for the springs on the van. I don't know if the PO installed new springs or if Mark III (now out of business) replaced the stock springs during the conversion.

The spring shackles do not have removable bushings. They appear to be molded in rubber. Mood show them to be replaceable as they sell the bushing, perhaps the shackles are not stock either. The springs are 2.5" wide and that is what the stock springs are for this van. The spring mounting brackets are riveted on to the frame so I assume they are stock also. It looks like I will need to buy new spring shackles.

So now I need to find out where to buy non stock bushings. I called Energy Suspension and they said they only list the bushings by application and have no way to match them up by measurements.
Anyone have any suggestions?

I did find two companies that sell by measurement but have no idea what brand or how well they will hold up.
Stengel Bros. Inc. - Steering| Suspension| Air Ride Specialists
Type 1 Leaf Spring Bushings - TruckSpring.com

Thanks
Anna

 

The steel/rubber spring bushings are removable, but a hammer and punch may have to be used, because they are rusted stuck.

Where did you get the bushings, from an auto parts store? Were the bushings the same specs as listed below?

1975/91 E100/150 Regular & Super Van.

D1UZ-5781-A .. Bushing-Rear Spring FRONT ~ 1 9/32" O.D. x 5/8" I.D. x 2.7/8" long.

D3TZ-5781-A .. Bushing-Rear Spring REAR ~ 1 1/4" O.D. x 9/16" I.D. x 3.00" long.

I didn't look to see if these bushings are still available from Ford.

 

Give me a call or send me a message. We have hundreds of bushings available that we can find for you and we can make sure all the measurements match, we do it all the time for the odd OD measurement bushings. We also have the shackles too.

-Junior

 

Thanks for the help Number Dummy

Yes I removed the front eyelet bushing and it had a outer steel shell. So did the rear spring bushing but I didn’t remove it and so I don’t have the measurements for the rear spring bushing.
I do know visually it appears to be the same OD as the AC Delco bushing. I could not use the AC Delco bushing on the rear spring eyelet because that bushing uses a 5/8“ bolt and the rear bushings use a 9/16“ bolt.

The spring shackle though, I didn’t try to remove the bushing in it because you could easily see the bushing was much smaller then any of the bushings I ordered, appeared to be moulded in rubber with a steel center 9/16 ID sleeve. It was visually much smaller OD then the Moog bushings for the rear. I would guess 1“ OD

Ordered from RA

MOOG K200129 {#E0TZ5781E} Problem Solver Info
FitsRear Upper; High Quality Elastomer For Durability And Performance; 1-1/4" Outside Diameter X 2-7/8" Long
OrRear Lower; High Quality Elastomer For Durability And Performance; 1-1/4" Outside Diameter X 2-7/8" Long

ACDELCO 45G15304 {#88912917} Professional Rear Forward (RA did not list measurements for this one)


Since we removed the front eyelet bushing, I measured it. The shell length is 2.5“ Total length is 2.75“ ID is .63“ and the OD is 1.5“ my calaper tool may be a hair off but close)
So it is defiantly larger then stock as you show stock to be
D1UZ-5781-A .. Bushing-Rear Spring FRONT ~ 1 9/32" O.D. x 5/8" I.D. x 2.7/8" long.


Oddly since removing the front eyelet bushing and reinstalling it, that side doesn't make noise when going over a speed hump. They were cracked and you could see the inner sleeve was a little to one side. When we reinstalled it, it was rotated a little different then it had worn in at..

 

Thanks, I will call you tomorrow!

 

What part number do you show for the stock spring shackle Number Dummy? and measurements if you have them..
Thanks

 

E6TZ-5776-B .. Shackle Bracket - 1986/91 E150 (1975/85 E100/150 is different).

Are you sure this is a E150? It would have 5 lug wheels on a 5.50" bolt circle.

 

As far as I know it is a e150. It does have 5 lug wheels but I haven't measured the bolt pattern. The brake parts I have replaced were for a e150

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I don't know if it matters but my e150 VIN is 1FM which specs a multi use vehicle. 1FT is a truck. The E14 is a cargo van where my E11 is an econoline?
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It is a E 150. Based on the GVWR it is a heavy half or on the high side of weight capacity.


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now I am confused, well actually most of the time.. are some of the vans classed as trucks?

 

The Ford Truck 17-Digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Decoder

 

And from http://www.mitchellsupport.com/ondemand5/VIN/VIN.pdf

1987-89 FORD TRUCK
1st, 2nd & 3rd Positions - MANUFACTURER
1FB Ford USA Bus
1FC Ford USA Truck (Stripped Chassis)
1FD Ford USA Incomplete Vehicle
1FF Ford USA Motor Vehicle (w/o Powertrain)
1FM Ford USA Multipurpose Vehicle, Bus
1FT Ford USA Truck (Complete)
2FB Ford Canada Bus
2FC Ford Canada Truck (Stripped Chassis)
2FD Ford Canada Incomplete Vehicle
2FF Ford Canada Motor Vehicle (w/o Powertrain)
2FM Ford Canada Multipurpose Vehicle
2FT Ford Canada Complete Vehicle
4th Position - GVW
A up to 3,000
B 3,001 - 4,000
C 4,001 - 5,000
D 5,001 - 6,000
E 6,001 - 7,000
F 7,001 - 8,000
G 8,001 - 8,500
H 8,501 - 9,000
J 9,001 - 10,000
K 10,001 - 14,000
5th, 6th & 7th Positions - SERIES
A11 Aerostar Window Wagon (1987-89)
A14 Aerostar Cargo Van (1987-89)
A15 Aerostar Window Van (1987-89)
A31 Aerostar Window Wagon (1989)
A34 Aerostar Cargo Van (1989)
A35 Aerostar Base (1989)
E11 E150 Club Wagon
E14 E150 Cargo Van
E15 E150 Window Van
E21 E250 Club Wagon
E24 E250 Cargo Van
E25 E250 Window Van
E30 E350 Cutaway Cab (RV)
E33 E350 Stripped Chassis (RV)
E34 E350 Cargo Van
E35 E350 Window Van
E37 E350 Cutaway Cab (Commercial)
E39 E350 Cutaway Cab (Commercial)
F14 F150 Pickup 4X4
F15 F150 Pickup 4X2
F25 F250 Pickup 4X2
F26 F250 Pickup 4X4
F35 F350 Pickup 4X2
F36 F350 Pickup 4X4
F37 F350 Cab & Chassis 4X2
F38 F350 Cab & Chassis 4X4
F47 F(Super Duty) Cab & Chassis
F53 RV Motorhome-Stripped Chassis
F59 Commercial Vehicle-Stripped Chassis
R10 Ranger Pickup 4X2
R11 Ranger Pickup 4X4
R12 Ranger Non-Pickup 4X2
R14 Ranger Pickup (Super Cab) 4X2
R15 Ranger Pickup (Super Cab) 4X4
S14 E150 Super Cargo Van
S15 E150 Super Window Van
S24 E250 Super Cargo Van
S25 E250 Super Window Van
S31 E350 Super Club Wagon
S34 E350 Super Cargo Van
S35 E350 Super Window Van
U12 Bronco II 4X2
U14 Bronco II 4X4
U15 Bronco (Full Size) 4X4
W35 F350 Pickup (Crew Cab) 4X2
W36 F350 Pickup (Crew Cab) 4X4
X14 F150 Pickup (Super Cab) 4X4
X15 F150 Pickup (Super Cab) 4X2
X25 F250 Pickup (Super Cab) 4X2
X26 F250 Pickup (Super Cab) 4X4
X35 F350 Pickup (Super Cab) 4X2
8th Position - ENGINE TYPE
A 4-140 (2.3) EFI
C 4-122 (2.0) 1BC
E 4-140 (2.3) Diesel
G 8-460 (7.5) EFI
H 8-351 (5.8)
1987 4BC
1988-89 EFI
L 8-460 (7.5) 4BC
M 8-446 (7.3) Diesel
N 8-302 (5.0) EFI
T 6-177 (2.9) EFI
U 6-183 (3.0) EFI
Y 6-300 (4.9) EFI
1 8-426 (6.9) Diesel
9th Position - CHECK DIGIT
10th Position - MODEL YEAR
H 1987
J 1988
K 1989
11th Position - ASSEMBLY PLANT
12th thru 17th Positions - SEQUENCE NUMBER
A sequential number assigned by the
manufacturer.

 

Thanks Jim.. I guess the vans are considered trucks on the vin..
I just noticed on the bottom line of the vin tag, that it says
Spring
3 P

so maybe i need to look that up. According to
Ford Spring Codes - Shop Ford Leaf Springs by Code | SD Truck Springs | Leaf Springs, Helper Springs and Suspension Parts
the same springs were used on 81-91 years. There is a special list for 88 but it is the same part number.. I am guessing that the conversion company put heavier springs under it. If so, that beings me back to,, are the spring shackles stock? The spring hanger brackets are riveted on so they should be stock hangers. The springs are the same width as stock, so it seems to me that the stock spring shackles should fit.. But the stock shackle bushings i bought, the OD was too large. Perhaps the springs they used came with their own shackles.. I would rather have the factory shackles as the bushings would be larger diameter.

 

1FT = FoMoCo USA - Ford Truck - Complete Vehicle.

E = Class E Hydraulic Brakes - 6,001-7,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Range.

E14 = E150 Cargo Van.

N = 5.0L EFI

9 = Check digit, FoMoCo use only.

J = 1988 (assembled 9/87).

H = Lorain OH Assembly Plant.

A21788 = 1988 Numerical Sequence of Assembly, this E150's specific serial number.

EXTERIOR PAINT COLOR: 9M = White.

DSO: 24 = Jacksonville FL Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the E150 from.

138" Wheelbase.

TYPE-GVW: E142 = E150 Cargo Van - 138" Wheelbase - 6,100 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

BODY: AG = Smoke all Vinyl (seat upholstery).

TRANS: T = AOT (Automatic Overdrive Transmission).

AXLE: 19 = Ford 8.8" Rear Axle / 4.11-1 / 3,750 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

SPRING CODES: 3 - P / 3 is the code for the front springs, P is the code for the rear springs.

P = D6UZ-5560-F .. Rear Leaf Springs - 1,685 lbs. load rate.

1976/91 E100/150 Van/Club Wagon/Super Wagon w/138" wheelbase.