Great White still isn't cutting it
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Great White still isn't cutting it
Hope everyone is having an awesome memorial day weekend! I spent most of it out at the campground on a shake down run for the camper to make sure it's all up to snuff.
The reason for the thread is mostly a place to gather thoughts. I have spoken with many of you individually trying to track down and figure out why this truck and camper just can't seem to get along.
Background for those who don't know: Last summer I upgraded to a travel trailer. A 22ft long mallard. Empty weight 4k, max weight 6k. A week after I bought it I pulled it down to Eastern Tennessee to RRE, and had nothing but trouble with EGTs. Did a intake test and found the plenums were leaking, resealed those, no help.
Drive home was the same, sustained high EGTS and was actually slowing everyone else in our convoy down. Couldn't hold speed up the hills, hit 2nd gear even a couple times. All would just delay the inevitable. There were a few runs where I had to hold it over 1300 for a mile or 2. Just a total lack of power. Never could turn the chip up because it would burry the Pyro.
Very disgusted, I started a thread, and over the course of then to now started trying things. I have changed sticks (known good stock set from another member) went back to stock size tires, turbo is fresh, nothing seems to matter. I also get a lot of smoke on cold start and it takes a while to go away. Recently with the warmer temps it hasn't been bad. But with a proper functioning glow plug system it shouldn't do it at all. I've tried swapping sensors (map and baro), nothing seems to change anything.
Compression numbers were anywhere from 280-320 with most of them around the 300 mark. I know this isnt ideal, but there are known engines working with less that this doesnt seem to be an issue.
Fuel pressure is good, lowest it drops us 40ish under heavy load. To be expected from the stock system.
I'm trying to think if I've left anything out...
Coming home today I took the camper for a spin and while EGTS don't seem to be as bad, they still get hot, even with my custom tunes. Boost is poor imo, really standing on it It was 15psi at 2k Rpm and it was fast enough it wouldn't grab the gear below it. I know if I left for Tennessee tomorrow, it would be more of the same 1 eye on the pyro one on the road.
When you have had another PSD that was bare bones stock (intake and down pipe) that will pull any load without issues and the one with less miles can't pull the same load it's very frustrating.
So, with all that rambling out of the way my questions are:
Have I missed somthing? Is my engine just thst worn out?
My thought is on a rebuild at this point, I know it's expensive, but I don't like the thought of sticking another engine I know nothing about in and then have it be the same or worse than now.
However budget is a concern too. My job situation right now is still up in the air and to be perfectly honest I'm nosy sure what is going to happen.
Only way I would buy an engine is if It was well documented and could spit out a good compression test. I am in mood to do this twice. I've shelled out enough money that I pry could have had this all done already, and the fact that nothing I've done has helped or improved it enough to make a difference is very very frustrating.
Im not going to throw mods at this motor untill I can get the temps under controll. More fuel and air isn't gonna help if I'm melting pistons. It shouldn't be getting hot with the stock set up anyway. No reason for that.
So there it is, sorry for the book, I'll shut up now.
The reason for the thread is mostly a place to gather thoughts. I have spoken with many of you individually trying to track down and figure out why this truck and camper just can't seem to get along.
Background for those who don't know: Last summer I upgraded to a travel trailer. A 22ft long mallard. Empty weight 4k, max weight 6k. A week after I bought it I pulled it down to Eastern Tennessee to RRE, and had nothing but trouble with EGTs. Did a intake test and found the plenums were leaking, resealed those, no help.
Drive home was the same, sustained high EGTS and was actually slowing everyone else in our convoy down. Couldn't hold speed up the hills, hit 2nd gear even a couple times. All would just delay the inevitable. There were a few runs where I had to hold it over 1300 for a mile or 2. Just a total lack of power. Never could turn the chip up because it would burry the Pyro.
Very disgusted, I started a thread, and over the course of then to now started trying things. I have changed sticks (known good stock set from another member) went back to stock size tires, turbo is fresh, nothing seems to matter. I also get a lot of smoke on cold start and it takes a while to go away. Recently with the warmer temps it hasn't been bad. But with a proper functioning glow plug system it shouldn't do it at all. I've tried swapping sensors (map and baro), nothing seems to change anything.
Compression numbers were anywhere from 280-320 with most of them around the 300 mark. I know this isnt ideal, but there are known engines working with less that this doesnt seem to be an issue.
Fuel pressure is good, lowest it drops us 40ish under heavy load. To be expected from the stock system.
I'm trying to think if I've left anything out...
Coming home today I took the camper for a spin and while EGTS don't seem to be as bad, they still get hot, even with my custom tunes. Boost is poor imo, really standing on it It was 15psi at 2k Rpm and it was fast enough it wouldn't grab the gear below it. I know if I left for Tennessee tomorrow, it would be more of the same 1 eye on the pyro one on the road.
When you have had another PSD that was bare bones stock (intake and down pipe) that will pull any load without issues and the one with less miles can't pull the same load it's very frustrating.
So, with all that rambling out of the way my questions are:
Have I missed somthing? Is my engine just thst worn out?
My thought is on a rebuild at this point, I know it's expensive, but I don't like the thought of sticking another engine I know nothing about in and then have it be the same or worse than now.
However budget is a concern too. My job situation right now is still up in the air and to be perfectly honest I'm nosy sure what is going to happen.
Only way I would buy an engine is if It was well documented and could spit out a good compression test. I am in mood to do this twice. I've shelled out enough money that I pry could have had this all done already, and the fact that nothing I've done has helped or improved it enough to make a difference is very very frustrating.
Im not going to throw mods at this motor untill I can get the temps under controll. More fuel and air isn't gonna help if I'm melting pistons. It shouldn't be getting hot with the stock set up anyway. No reason for that.
So there it is, sorry for the book, I'll shut up now.
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With the new tunes, it seems to be 2500-2600 @ 35% dc.
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An update to this issue. I think we have hit the end of the road for things to try. I was on my way home Saturday night, and the hpop hit 3200psi and held 3000 at 41 percent, and I wasn't even pushing it that hard. So pretty sure the hpop is working.
This is what we have pieced together.
3 years ago when I bought the truck the PO had told me about installing the goosekneck hitch and that he had only used it one time. I think he knew somthing was up then and decided to sell. I know. Besides the point now, but I really think I did somthing to the motor on the rre trip last year from getting it hot. My bet is on rings. There were several sustsained runs above 1300. It was that or slow down more and I was already slowing everyone down.
The blow by has worsened in my time with it. Its heavy pulling days are over for now. Just local trips for at least the short term.
So here's where I'm at. If I don't locate a motor, this one will get pulled and taken apart to see about viability for rebuilding.
This is what we have pieced together.
3 years ago when I bought the truck the PO had told me about installing the goosekneck hitch and that he had only used it one time. I think he knew somthing was up then and decided to sell. I know. Besides the point now, but I really think I did somthing to the motor on the rre trip last year from getting it hot. My bet is on rings. There were several sustsained runs above 1300. It was that or slow down more and I was already slowing everyone down.
The blow by has worsened in my time with it. Its heavy pulling days are over for now. Just local trips for at least the short term.
So here's where I'm at. If I don't locate a motor, this one will get pulled and taken apart to see about viability for rebuilding.
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Get the big fork it's DONE!