Advice on turbo upgrade
#31
Hkusp.. Little off topic, but here in CA, JW has a reputable shop that he will send his trans to for said mechanic to install. Then mechanic send yours back to JW. Maybe BTS has something like this in other states. Buddy of mine did just this, because of JW being busy and wait time was 8+ weeks out..
#32
It's no sweat Rich. I had to do the tranny, I couldn't risk it any more and I am not going to re-use the BTS valvebody so I needed tunes to be adjusted. I spoke with Jody and I decided the F6 would meet my needs better than my F5. He needed to tweak my ICP at idle, he did and shipped it out.
#33
It's no sweat Rich. I had to do the tranny, I couldn't risk it any more and I am not going to re-use the BTS valvebody so I needed tunes to be adjusted. I spoke with Jody and I decided the F6 would meet my needs better than my F5. He needed to tweak my ICP at idle, he did a shipped it out.
Kyle
#34
I have had too much trouble with my rebuilt tranny over the last 3+ years. It hasn't been right, it does a confused shift every once in a while, I have broken 3 input shafts, been through 3 different torque coverters, overheated it this winter, etc. I just don't want anything to be a variable going from the old transmission on to this new one beyond the cooler and the lines.
#35
I have had too much trouble with my rebuilt tranny over the last 3+ years. It hasn't been right, it does a confused shift every once in a while, I have broken 3 input shafts, been through 3 different torque coverters, overheated it this winter, etc. I just don't want anything to be a variable going from the old transmission on to this new one beyond the cooler and the lines.
I planned on a 4R100HD since I can get them here for 3200$ CDN..
That's like 2500$ US..
I was going to use a beefier TQ and prolly a John wood valve body
Kyle
#36
Me and my wallet learned The hard way that time 😱😎
#37
I have had too much trouble with my rebuilt tranny over the last 3+ years. It hasn't been right, it does a confused shift every once in a while, I have broken 3 input shafts, been through 3 different torque coverters, overheated it this winter, etc. I just don't want anything to be a variable going from the old transmission on to this new one beyond the cooler and the lines.
Wait... you had too much trouble with a BTS rebuilt tranny? I'm confused?
(which is happening a lot today, so don't take it personally. My senior moments are turning into minutes.)
#38
#39
Nozzles for the 160 or "175" Injector:
30% is modified stock
80% is aftermarket nozzle
100% is modified aftermarket nozzle
Stock/30% uses pretty much the same tune with maybe the slightest of tweaks.
80%/100% are right at the line for needing live tuning.
Can the tunes be emailed to you for 80%/100% nozzles? Yes... but you'll be damn lucky if the tuner "nails it". You might even feel Bob's your uncle and drive happily along, not realizing something even better can be had with a visit to the tuner. I had a tuner with the 160/100s, then changed to a different tuner - hoo boy howdy what a difference. I then went to get live tuned... holy carp! There is absolutely no reason why the truck can't run just as smooth as a stocker - with smooth transitions from one mode to the next. The best way to put it is nobody behind the wheel of Stinky would ever know it wasn't a stock truck with normal throttle. You have to really stretch your leg to realize "Ah... it just keeps gettin' better, eh?".
Now... why did I pick 100% nozzles? Math. The math shows that at high RPMs, any fuel added after 3 ms adds more smoke and heat than it does power. If I'm buying a 160 CC injector, I want access to 160 CCs all the way up the tach. 100% nozzle gives me 160 CCs at 3000 PSI ICP and a FIPW of 2.81 ms - Bingo. The quicker shot also helps to keep the EGTs lower because a quick flash is cooler than a long burn. My FIPW on the highway with Cruise Control engaged is about 1.4 ms - those with stock injectors are closer to 2.7 ms. My EGTs at 65 MPH are about 550 to 600 on the flat, and I can lathe tires without popping into the red zone on the EGT gauge.
30% is modified stock
80% is aftermarket nozzle
100% is modified aftermarket nozzle
Stock/30% uses pretty much the same tune with maybe the slightest of tweaks.
80%/100% are right at the line for needing live tuning.
Can the tunes be emailed to you for 80%/100% nozzles? Yes... but you'll be damn lucky if the tuner "nails it". You might even feel Bob's your uncle and drive happily along, not realizing something even better can be had with a visit to the tuner. I had a tuner with the 160/100s, then changed to a different tuner - hoo boy howdy what a difference. I then went to get live tuned... holy carp! There is absolutely no reason why the truck can't run just as smooth as a stocker - with smooth transitions from one mode to the next. The best way to put it is nobody behind the wheel of Stinky would ever know it wasn't a stock truck with normal throttle. You have to really stretch your leg to realize "Ah... it just keeps gettin' better, eh?".
Now... why did I pick 100% nozzles? Math. The math shows that at high RPMs, any fuel added after 3 ms adds more smoke and heat than it does power. If I'm buying a 160 CC injector, I want access to 160 CCs all the way up the tach. 100% nozzle gives me 160 CCs at 3000 PSI ICP and a FIPW of 2.81 ms - Bingo. The quicker shot also helps to keep the EGTs lower because a quick flash is cooler than a long burn. My FIPW on the highway with Cruise Control engaged is about 1.4 ms - those with stock injectors are closer to 2.7 ms. My EGTs at 65 MPH are about 550 to 600 on the flat, and I can lathe tires without popping into the red zone on the EGT gauge.
#40
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Sounds perfect. Like a dream. And yet, you say that engine is done, with only 300K miles. You're having to put in a different one.
Please forgive, because it is unfair to pick on your specific circumstance as an example, but the long and sordid saga sometimes serves as a reminder to all inquiries similar to the OP's request for advice on turbo (injectors, tunes, etc.) "upgrades".
When it comes to reliability, some upgrades can potentially be downgrades. The wonder of the 7.3L is that it still runs in spite of the things we do to it.
Sounds perfect. Like a dream. And yet, you say that engine is done, with only 300K miles. You're having to put in a different one.
Please forgive, because it is unfair to pick on your specific circumstance as an example, but the long and sordid saga sometimes serves as a reminder to all inquiries similar to the OP's request for advice on turbo (injectors, tunes, etc.) "upgrades".
When it comes to reliability, some upgrades can potentially be downgrades. The wonder of the 7.3L is that it still runs in spite of the things we do to it.
#41
#42
No, I had a BTS valvebody in my original stock transmission, then when it failed and was rebuilt, I had them move the valvebody over to the rebuild, and all the subsequent refreshings it has been in there.
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