Considering an Excursion-Talk me in/out of it?
#31
FYI for the pups we use these harnesses- makes it easy to help them in and out and also gives a great way to anchor them down in case of accident. Since we have the 3rd row out I connect the anchor to the hold downs.
Ruffwear Web Master? Harness | Supportive, Multi-Use Dog Harness
Ruffwear Web Master? Harness | Supportive, Multi-Use Dog Harness
#32
Lots of good info and advice so far in this thread.
We have an '05 4X4 EX with the V-10, it is our dedicated large group people mover and tow rig, it doesn't see any daily driver use.
When we bought it at 65k miles in 2010 it was still stone stock and it typically saw 14-ish MPG in mixed driving unload with a best ever of 15.5 MPG mostly highway with a few small coastal towns on a trip in Maine with 6 adults onboard. In that stock condition (with the factory 3.73 gears) we towed a 31' toyhauler trailer that scaled at 9,500lbs, it spent a lot of time in 3rd gear as it would downshift from OD on any grade and we got 6 to 7.5 MPG towing.
Since then I have added a set of Banks headers, Hellwig rear sway bar, custom tunes from 5Star Tuning, new springs that give approx. 4" of lift, 35" tires on 18" rims and most importantly deeper 4.88 gears. We also upgraded to a new 41' 11,000lb travel trailer. With all of these mods completed it now gets 13.5 MPG highway at 65 MPH on cruise control unload and 8 to 9.25 MPG towing the 11k TT on the highway at 60 to 70 MPH. It's like a totally different truck with the mods we have made to it, so much better!
The V-10 is ultra reliable and pretty easy to work on if needed, during the 6 years and 45k miles of my ownership I have had to replace the fuel pump, wiper blades and one light bulb, that's it honestly. I do keep up on the regular maintenance schedule with 5k oil changes (Mobil1 and MC filter from Walmart for about $32) and all of the other fluids have been changed out. All of my mods were focused on making the EX a better tow rig and we have been very pleased with the results.
Keep looking till you find the best condition, best maintained, newest lowest mileage EXample that fits into your budget and you should have a long and happy relationship with it. We have had ours for 6 years and we have every intention to keep it as our tow rig for another 7 to 9 years until we retire and I have every confidence that it will continue to serve us very well until then.
With a little bit of work (and some great advice and guidance from this forum! ) the V-10 Ex can be an Excellent tow vehicle even with a large heavy trailer.
We have an '05 4X4 EX with the V-10, it is our dedicated large group people mover and tow rig, it doesn't see any daily driver use.
When we bought it at 65k miles in 2010 it was still stone stock and it typically saw 14-ish MPG in mixed driving unload with a best ever of 15.5 MPG mostly highway with a few small coastal towns on a trip in Maine with 6 adults onboard. In that stock condition (with the factory 3.73 gears) we towed a 31' toyhauler trailer that scaled at 9,500lbs, it spent a lot of time in 3rd gear as it would downshift from OD on any grade and we got 6 to 7.5 MPG towing.
Since then I have added a set of Banks headers, Hellwig rear sway bar, custom tunes from 5Star Tuning, new springs that give approx. 4" of lift, 35" tires on 18" rims and most importantly deeper 4.88 gears. We also upgraded to a new 41' 11,000lb travel trailer. With all of these mods completed it now gets 13.5 MPG highway at 65 MPH on cruise control unload and 8 to 9.25 MPG towing the 11k TT on the highway at 60 to 70 MPH. It's like a totally different truck with the mods we have made to it, so much better!
The V-10 is ultra reliable and pretty easy to work on if needed, during the 6 years and 45k miles of my ownership I have had to replace the fuel pump, wiper blades and one light bulb, that's it honestly. I do keep up on the regular maintenance schedule with 5k oil changes (Mobil1 and MC filter from Walmart for about $32) and all of the other fluids have been changed out. All of my mods were focused on making the EX a better tow rig and we have been very pleased with the results.
Keep looking till you find the best condition, best maintained, newest lowest mileage EXample that fits into your budget and you should have a long and happy relationship with it. We have had ours for 6 years and we have every intention to keep it as our tow rig for another 7 to 9 years until we retire and I have every confidence that it will continue to serve us very well until then.
With a little bit of work (and some great advice and guidance from this forum! ) the V-10 Ex can be an Excellent tow vehicle even with a large heavy trailer.
#33
#34
Lots of good info and advice so far in this thread.
We have an '05 4X4 EX with the V-10, it is our dedicated large group people mover and tow rig, it doesn't see any daily driver use.
When we bought it at 65k miles in 2010 it was still stone stock and it typically saw 14-ish MPG in mixed driving unload with a best ever of 15.5 MPG mostly highway with a few small coastal towns on a trip in Maine with 6 adults onboard. In that stock condition (with the factory 3.73 gears) we towed a 31' toyhauler trailer that scaled at 9,500lbs, it spent a lot of time in 3rd gear as it would downshift from OD on any grade and we got 6 to 7.5 MPG towing.
Since then I have added a set of Banks headers, Hellwig rear sway bar, custom tunes from 5Star Tuning, new springs that give approx. 4" of lift, 35" tires on 18" rims and most importantly deeper 4.88 gears. We also upgraded to a new 41' 11,000lb travel trailer. With all of these mods completed it now gets 13.5 MPG highway at 65 MPH on cruise control unload and 8 to 9.25 MPG towing the 11k TT on the highway at 60 to 70 MPH. It's like a totally different truck with the mods we have made to it, so much better!
We have an '05 4X4 EX with the V-10, it is our dedicated large group people mover and tow rig, it doesn't see any daily driver use.
When we bought it at 65k miles in 2010 it was still stone stock and it typically saw 14-ish MPG in mixed driving unload with a best ever of 15.5 MPG mostly highway with a few small coastal towns on a trip in Maine with 6 adults onboard. In that stock condition (with the factory 3.73 gears) we towed a 31' toyhauler trailer that scaled at 9,500lbs, it spent a lot of time in 3rd gear as it would downshift from OD on any grade and we got 6 to 7.5 MPG towing.
Since then I have added a set of Banks headers, Hellwig rear sway bar, custom tunes from 5Star Tuning, new springs that give approx. 4" of lift, 35" tires on 18" rims and most importantly deeper 4.88 gears. We also upgraded to a new 41' 11,000lb travel trailer. With all of these mods completed it now gets 13.5 MPG highway at 65 MPH on cruise control unload and 8 to 9.25 MPG towing the 11k TT on the highway at 60 to 70 MPH. It's like a totally different truck with the mods we have made to it, so much better!
Once again, thanks everyone for the great advice and info. The X is looking more and more attractive.
And BTW, I checked out your Jayco TT, it's a beaut! I could totally see us and the three dogs in there at some point in the future.
#35
There are several mods to do to make the X handle & tow well. The 2 stock gears are 3:73 & 4:30. More that likely you will find 3:73s BUT 4:30s are out there. Tom (we3zs) is running larger tires & has dialed in the BEST tow rig ever. You'll pull the smaller TT fine with either gear set. Gears are X2 so you will be looking at 4K + to change them out.
#37
We recently bought our Ex to tow our 27 ft Jayco tt which has a GTWR of 5995#. We don't load it to the max though. Tows like a dream with the Ex. A very nice match. We got lucky and found one that already had the 4.30 gears. Was not advertised and the dealer didn't seem to realize it. If you go look at the one you are interested in you can find out what gears it has by looking at the sticker in the driver's door jamb under axle code. C1 is 3.73 and C3 is 4.3.
Also, our 7 year old lab can jump in no problem but the Beagle needs help as it's too high for him. 4X4 sits a bit higher. Older dogs may need a boost.
Also, our 7 year old lab can jump in no problem but the Beagle needs help as it's too high for him. 4X4 sits a bit higher. Older dogs may need a boost.
#38
It shouldn't cost $2k per axle to change gears.
Here's what I did to the suspension on mine:
V/Mod-B springs
Hellwing adjustable sway bar on the tightest setting
Bilstein shocks
That's it, and it handles the trailer tongue weight without a problem. It sits completely level when hooked up, even with the 1000# WD bars attached. It feels very stable and safe going down the road. Mine is diesel and it has all the power I need and it's a fairly stock motor. I've heard that the V10 tows just as well but I plan on spending a lot of time in the mountains and the gas motor struggles more at high altitudes.
Here's what I did to the suspension on mine:
V/Mod-B springs
Hellwing adjustable sway bar on the tightest setting
Bilstein shocks
That's it, and it handles the trailer tongue weight without a problem. It sits completely level when hooked up, even with the 1000# WD bars attached. It feels very stable and safe going down the road. Mine is diesel and it has all the power I need and it's a fairly stock motor. I've heard that the V10 tows just as well but I plan on spending a lot of time in the mountains and the gas motor struggles more at high altitudes.
#39
Wow, sounds like you've done a lot to make your X a better tow vehicle. The gear ration you are referring to, is that the rear axle? I'm not sure what the ratio is on the local one for sale, but I am going to assume it is 3.73. Does anyone know what the tow capacity is for that? Right now we have a small 21 foot 4500 lb TT, but we might upgrade in the future. I imagine the stock axle would handle that much weight fine, but for the future, I'd like the option of hauling a bigger payload. How hard is it, and how much does it cost to upgrade? I know we looked into it with our Durango, but it would cost like $2K and was a difficult job.
Once again, thanks everyone for the great advice and info. The X is looking more and more attractive.
And BTW, I checked out your Jayco TT, it's a beaut! I could totally see us and the three dogs in there at some point in the future.
Once again, thanks everyone for the great advice and info. The X is looking more and more attractive.
And BTW, I checked out your Jayco TT, it's a beaut! I could totally see us and the three dogs in there at some point in the future.
Thanks, we really do love our EX!
Yes, the gear ratio is what's in the rear end (and front also if 4X4) and the cost to have the gears changed typically runs between $800 and $1100 per axle, my local quote was for $2000 to do both front and rear, but I got lucky (with help from a forum member who tipped me off to the deal!) and bought a set of axles already changed over to 4.88 gears for $1200 and I'll be able to sell my stock ones eventually to offset that even more. . The important thing is to find a shop that has done lots of gear setups and has a good reputation, check with the local off road crowd for recommendations.
The Jayco (338RETS) is a monster but very comfortable, we have been out in it with 5 (our son and four buddies) 18 year old guys and our two dogs for 2 weeks and everyone survived!
#40
yes, it's a 4x4 we are interested in. We are going to check it out this weekend. Will be prepared to crawl around underneath and ask lots of questions.
This thread and the camping and towing thread has got me real excited about this truck. Ive gone from a skeptic to being super excited. I really hope it works out!
This thread and the camping and towing thread has got me real excited about this truck. Ive gone from a skeptic to being super excited. I really hope it works out!
#41
yes, it's a 4x4 we are interested in. We are going to check it out this weekend. Will be prepared to crawl around underneath and ask lots of questions.
This thread and the camping and towing thread has got me real excited about this truck. Ive gone from a skeptic to being super excited. I really hope it works out!
This thread and the camping and towing thread has got me real excited about this truck. Ive gone from a skeptic to being super excited. I really hope it works out!
#42
Not too much I can add that hasn't already been said. Many of us have upgraded the original soccer mom suspension to F250 / F350 spec stuff for better towing manners. I tow a 24 ft 6500lb TT with ours ...... 3 of us plus 1 dog. I can't imagine any vehicle being better suited for camping duty. Very happy with our Excursion.
#43
Not too much I can add that hasn't already been said. Many of us have upgraded the original soccer mom suspension to F250 / F350 spec stuff for better towing manners. I tow a 24 ft 6500lb TT with ours ...... 3 of us plus 1 dog. I can't imagine any vehicle being better suited for camping duty. Very happy with our Excursion.
#44
#45
I also live in the mountain of Colorado, I can tell you this. I just sold my 3/4 ton Chevy Suburban, loaded, 4.1 gears, small lift, 285/75/16 tires, low miles etc. etc. etc. That was without a doubt the biggest turd on the planet, totally gutless in the hills even empty it was 2nd gear to climb a lot of passes an maintain 50-55, we were towing our 24 ft pontoon with it. I never hated a truck more than the suburban, everything rattled, the second row passenger seat rattled so bad i finally pulled the leather off of it and welded the frame, it would drive you bananas. 13 mpg on a good day hand calculated. gutless on anything over 70 mph when loaded with the family and luggage, last trip out to Omaha I was 5 mph under the speed limit, getting 12-13 and needing 3rd on even the slightest grade.
The chevy was the worst vehicle for a snow storm, when in 4x4 it was anyone's guess which way it was going. Despite everything, and i mean everything being replaced on the front end, drag link, tie rods, ball joints, pitman arm etc etc etc. no amount of new parts would correct the front end wander on an icy road.
Now let's discuss the new to me excursion, 2005, 80K on the odo when i picked her up last month.
6.8 liter, 3.73 gears, 285/75/16 tires. tons of power, nothing on her rattles at all, solid, solid, solid,
went out to Cali to get her last month drove the freeways back and came up through Durango to home. hand calculated 14-15 mpgs hauling a.. down the freeway, hand calculated from Pagosa Springs to my house, 2-3 MPH over the speed limit up down and on the flat over 5 mountain passes 227 miles on 13.45 gallons that's is 16.87 mpg.
Never saw 2nd gear on any pass, quiet, OMG i have, on more than one occasion, forgotten that i put her into 3rd and did not put her back in over- drive. There is almost no difference in the engine noise between 4th and 3rd, the Suburban would be screaming in third and second.
To be fair i do think my chevy seats were a bit more comfortable... But that is so driver dependent on height weight, sitting position etc.
The chevy was the worst vehicle for a snow storm, when in 4x4 it was anyone's guess which way it was going. Despite everything, and i mean everything being replaced on the front end, drag link, tie rods, ball joints, pitman arm etc etc etc. no amount of new parts would correct the front end wander on an icy road.
Now let's discuss the new to me excursion, 2005, 80K on the odo when i picked her up last month.
6.8 liter, 3.73 gears, 285/75/16 tires. tons of power, nothing on her rattles at all, solid, solid, solid,
went out to Cali to get her last month drove the freeways back and came up through Durango to home. hand calculated 14-15 mpgs hauling a.. down the freeway, hand calculated from Pagosa Springs to my house, 2-3 MPH over the speed limit up down and on the flat over 5 mountain passes 227 miles on 13.45 gallons that's is 16.87 mpg.
Never saw 2nd gear on any pass, quiet, OMG i have, on more than one occasion, forgotten that i put her into 3rd and did not put her back in over- drive. There is almost no difference in the engine noise between 4th and 3rd, the Suburban would be screaming in third and second.
To be fair i do think my chevy seats were a bit more comfortable... But that is so driver dependent on height weight, sitting position etc.