Originally Posted by nojoke327

What is the point of a 250 anymore. Payload and towing are very similar from the 150 to 250.

Originally Posted by tseekins

Only if you go with a regular cab F-150 XL 4x2. As soon as you start adding options to the F-150, those comparative numbers separate fast.

Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky

Now it makes sense. The 6.2L has 405 lb-ft of torque, and that's well within the limits of a 6R100 transmission. The 100 means 1000 lb-ft torque capacity, AFTER the torque converter doubles the engine torque. The 6.2L doesn't need a 1400 lb-ft transmission.

This change will give better performance, more payload capacity, and better fuel economy.

Originally Posted by 2009kr

If the 6R140 is limited to 1400 lb-ft after the torque converter, isn't it overloaded with the current 860 lb-ft of torque on the 6.7? I suspect that motor generates over 1600 after the torque converter unless the computer limits its torque when the input vs output speed of the torque converter is over a certain amount.

I hope the transmission doesn't limit the 2017 6.7. I like the 500/1000 rumors.

Originally Posted by tseekins

I'll wager that those truck buyers who don't frequent an enthusiast website or do some form of in depth research will never know the difference down the road.

But knowing this now only makes me feel like Ford is making it cheaper and thus potentially less durable.

I've said many times in the past that if Ford were to beef up the axles, suspension and brakes on the F-150, it would serve well as an F-250.

I could see Ford in the future pairing the F-150/250 as a same model and the F-350/450/550 as the heavy duty offerings.

Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky

I wondered if someone was going to catch that.

This has been an issue for several years. The way we got around it before was to lower the torque ratio of the torque converter. Also, stall speed was set so that you could never have maximum torque and maximum torque ratio at once.

Originally Posted by Tom

Sort of.

My crew cab 4x4 F150 has a payload of 1,830 lbs. My two diesel Super Duties, both with the 10,000 lb GVWR, had payloads of around 1,980 lbs. My F150 is rated to tow 10,700 lbs, and my last Super Duty was 15,200.

Originally Posted by fzrider998

Curious where you're getting your payload information. The Ford site shows a F250, 4x4, CC, shortbed to be at 3100lbs payload. Comparatively, a F150 4x4, CC, 6.5 bed is at 2060lbs. That's just over a half-ton difference. Getting a HD Payload Pkg on the F150 will almost split the difference giving a 2650lb payload, though.

Originally Posted by Tom

Payload information comes from the payload sticker in the trucks I've owned and weighed.

My '08 crew cab 4x4 PSD F250 weighed nearly 8,100 lbs empty, and it had a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. The diesel engine adds over 500 lbs to the truck.

My '15 F150 weighs under 5,200 lbs and has a GVWR of 7,000 lbs.