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As the title says, I am in the market for the spare carrier and associated hardware for Gertie the '49 F-2. In the getting on 50 years we have had the truck, we never had the carrier, and just threw the spare in the bed. That was always a pain. I now want to get the thing out of the way, and put where it belongs.
Thanks Bill. There are some suppliers who are offering a repop of looks like the F-2 carrier, but I am unsure as to whether it is a faithful repro, correct length, etc. The hardware I can produce my self if necessary at my machine shop.
I saw your post and went out and took some pics before it got any darker, i might still have to retake these tomorrow morning. i have several of these spare tire holders of that vintage, the only thing "and number dummy can help us on this one" the ones in the pic that have a wider center for the rim
which it fits in the hole of the origional rim but a snug fit, have the part # 7RD 1444 RC on them, the others it got dark fast so i didnt get #'s off of them
and it was 1444,
Thanks for posting the pics. Jess. Candidates number 2 and three from the left appear to be the closest match to what I have seen in other posts for the correct wheel carrier. The length, width, and center section size should be measured and verified though. The 1444 number sounds odd.
The first carrier looks like one for the Budd wheels. I ran across an old thread that had some good photos taken by Stu (truckdog62563) that shows the differences between the Budd carrier used on the Mormon-Herringbone trucks, and the F-2/F-3. The carriers were exactly the same except for the riveted center section used for the regular pick ups.
Stu, or some of the other M-H guys may be interested in that first carrier.
TCAA-1443-A is actually a 1953/56 part number, it replaced the original part number that I couldn't find.
Jess posted 7RD, which would have been the original 1948/52 F2/F3 part number prefix.
1444 may be odd, may not be, because Ford changed a raft of basic part numbers in the late 1950's. One example: 7039 was the original basic number for u-joints, Ford changed it to 4635.
Someone contacted me recently with one a these ancient 7039 u-joint part numbers, I gave him the replacement part number: C3AZ-4635-E same as '65/66 Mustang.
Agree, numbers 2, 3, 4, and 6 across from the left look to be correct. My carrier measures 40" long, and the cage is 4 5/8" across the flat top's center line. The carrier on the left is the big truck F-4/5/6 one like I used on my M-H. Same 40" measurement.
Finding good hanger bolts and nuts will be a challenge too. No NOS ones turned up when I searched, but I found good used. Stu
TCAA-1443-A is actually a 1953/56 part number, it replaced the original part number that I couldn't find.
Jess posted 7RD, which would have been the original 1948/52 F2/F3 part number prefix.
1444 may be odd, may not be, because Ford changed a raft of basic part numbers in the late 1950's. One example: 7039 was the original basic number for u-joints, Ford changed it to 4635.
Someone contacted me recently with one a these ancient 7039 u-joint part numbers, I gave him the replacement part number: C3AZ-4635-E same as '65/66 Mustang.
Once again, the Great Number Dummy strikes with deadly accuracy, wielding his formidable frontal lobe.
With that prefix, these may very well be the correct carriers.
Thank you Bill, you are a treasure to our craft and trade.
Agree, numbers 2, 3, 4, and 6 across from the left look to be correct. My carrier measures 40" long, and the cage is 4 5/8" across the flat top's center line. The carrier on the left is the big truck F-4/5/6 one like I used on my M-H. Same 40" measurement.
Finding good hanger bolts and nuts will be a challenge too. No NOS ones turned up when I searched, but I found good used. Stu
I see you are up and about Stu, welcome aboard the thread. I get mrcman to verify the measurements, it looks like I will be in business.
The hangers are not really an issue for me. I get the correct measurements and form of the originals, I can fabricate duplicates at my shop. Truly amazing what one can do with a few lathes, mills, and other basic machine tools.
2) 82Y-1471 .. Bolt-Spare Tire Carrier / 5/8" -18 x 10 3/4" long / Obsolete
No Ford dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
------------------------------------------------------- 51-1476-A(replaced 51-1476) .. Nut-Spare Tire Carrier Bolt / 5/8" -18 / Obsolete
NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 1 = 972-937-2201.
MCDONALD OBSOLETE PARTS CO. in Rockport IN has 1 = 812-359-4965.
MATLOCK FORD in Franklin IN has 3 = 800-987-3673.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 3 = 800-543-4959.
KAHOKA MOTOR CO. in Kahoka MO has 4 = 660-727-2181.
------------------------------------------------------------------ 7RT-1453 .. Bracket-Frame to Spare Wheel Carrier / Obsolete
CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 2 = 800-476-9653.
All parts: 1948/52 F3 & 1948/56 F2/F250 (except flat and stake beds).
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Last edited by NumberDummy; 10-11-2015 at 11:25 AM.
Reason: Updated 'nut' part number.
Great! I now have the basic measurements for the bolt, just need O.D./I.D. sizes, length, etc, for the nut. Pretty sure I have a 5/8-18 tap and die. The hanger pins will be a straight turn and part operation, with a cross drilled hole for the cotter. The nuts can be turned on my Logan or Rockwell lathe, and the flats milled on the Index. While the original bolts look to have forged ends, I think I will just turn an eye, and fire up one of the welders to stick it on. A good dressing of the weld with a die grinder, belt sander, and Sand-O-Flex, and it will be indistinguishable from the real McCoy.
The frame brackets are still on the truck, so don't need them.
If you ever get the chance (no need to go out of your way), take some basic measurements of those nuts Stu. Need the length, major O.D., minor O.D., width across flats, etc. I could probably guess the dimensions, but would like to make them as close to original as I can.
Looking at the photo, it appears those may be forged nuts. Can't tell if there is some pitting, or the normal rough surface of a forging. If they are forged, and very possibly are for strength, I would need to use a good chromium alloy steel such as 4140 pre-hard. For that matter, given the eye ends on the rods are forged, they would need to be made from the same type of steel.
10-10-2015, 12:44 PM
